of the things but also i make it more beautiful than it is. >> why is hungary so strong on photography? >> i think they are very strong in mathematics which was in the early days connected to photography. phil tells me about his education in math. it was totally different. >> very good school. >> that's what i said, the schools in hungary were very, very good. >> this is no kind of an answer to me. you've made some of the most beautiful images we have known in the modern world and you keep telling me i was good in school. i was good in math. >> what would you like to hear? >> i was touched by god, i don't know. i don't know. if you're regularly creating the sublime, i'm looking for a metaphysical answer, i don't know. >> you learn this. you learn to be an artist. >> so if i would ask you how was dinner? >> so deeply delicious.