the u.s. is reluctant to get involved. i don't blame the american electorate for this. this is not a force that can be contained by dropping bombs from the sky. >> to that point, you've got the fight on the ground against isis but the influence abroad. we now have a group that calls itself the islamic state hacking division. it reported online a group of names and contacts for a thousands military government initial personnel. some are questioning the legitimacy of the list but some of these contacts are accurate. how serious is the threat of this? >> well, look, let's assume some of this might have been gleaned through very rudimentary forms of hacking and some through open source material. linkedin and white pages.