white house to chicago. what do you make of what he's saying, how he's responding to all of this? >> well, actually, even before congress. >> that's right. >> so we go back decades on this. so what i'm seeing is he was parsing, splitting hairs. he knew what the -- he knew what the gist of the question was, why didn't you act faster on this? because there were several points in this sad story where you would think the city knew or should have known that that video did not jibe with the official explanation of what happened. even if they weren't ready to put that out to the public, you could not not react to the problem where you knew enough of how bad it was that you recommended to your city council that you pay $5 million to the parents of mr. mcdonald without even having to file a lawsuit. so i think the phrase "willful