senator who at least at the moment appearing open to voting to acquit the president. what do you say to that? >> yeah -- what i hear senator jones saying is he's willing to be fair. that he's willing to be an open-mind eed juror. i also recognize that doug jones is a democratic senator in an overwhelmingly deep red state. so he is in a tough position. he's not necessarily representative of the entire democratic senate caucus and certainly not representative of what we have in the house. but again, though, his overall position is not -- >> doesn't have anything to do with how the -- what color the state is or, you know, blue or red, or how it's comprised, right? >> no. i'm simply saying, though, that i understand that impeachment for him and voting for a conviction would be very difficult for him politically. and i very much empathize with the position he would be in. however, i don't disagree with what the overall point of what i heard him saying is that he's going to be open-minded juror.