documentary about former president bush 41, and we were talking about the lead-up to desert storm. and i think it says a lot about how he felt in the army. and he said, quote, that he was the reluctant general, i'm always the reluctant general because i don't like war. if we can avoid war, we avoid war. it has terrible consequences. that said, he was also the kind of general who, when diplomacy didn't work, he knew what his mission was and he was intent on filling that mission. >> you know, general, i remember james talking about what kind of sticks with you in meeting and covering and interviewing general powell. i remember interviewing him once on the anniversary of -- on an anniversary of september 11th in the fields of shanksville, pennsylvania, and asking him