>> but just hearing him -- well, i mean, there is no question about that. look. all you need to do is just look at the ezra klein interview from last week. about how his numbers -- you can talk to valerie about this -- his numbers, every time he would talk about policing, with any kind of edge of criticism, would tank. because white america doesn't want to hear a black man telling them. i mean, that was a no brainer, by the way. you got a harvard professor, on his own front porch. but i'm just saying, it was interesting tonight. where, yeah, they all -- they all see what's wrong. i just don't see any fix coming, anytime soon. that's just me. but i look forward to your conversation with valerie jarrett. >> learn how to throw a punch. and to be -- >> got to learn how to take a punch. you got to learn how to fend with the next blow is coming the next time. and you have to figure out how to return it. or at least learn not to get hit. you got to get some more floyd mayweather in you. >> i didn't want to offend