transform the way in which these institutions actually treat us so that these institutions have equity and equality and we can survive and live and not be punished and face premature death, we're not going to have seen the change we want. >> peniel, chris, thank you. gentlemen, be safe and be well. i'll talk to you soon. >> all right, brother. >> just hours before he was set to be executed julius jones granted clemency. his mother and best friend are here, next.