if they miss the payment or they miss paying social security recipients, at that moment, it's complete chaos. investors well sell, stock prices will decline, interest rates will rise. i would be shocked if lawmakers don't recognize what they have done and decide to come together and raise the debt ceiling so the treasury can pay their bills. by the way, even if they did that, it would be costly. if it dragged on -- through thanksgiving -- then yeah, it's recession like. millions of jobs. >> it's incredible. even if it doesn't go on that long because they learn their lesson, they sent a signal to the world that the united states can't necessarily be trusted to pay its debts. we pay a higher interest rate. i get that. the billionaire investor said we should get rid of the debt ceiling limit. it's not linked to spending. it goes up and up. this is just a political
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