ukraine and russia. >> what would you say to somebody like haddenhenry kissi who said that russia has to be involved in this and the policy of confrontation is the wrong way to go. >> this is all about linkage and it's the question of interest. what putin has done is played linkage against us. what he has done is said to the administration, if you want my cooperation, don't push me too hard. we have to play right back. russia has a lot of interest in the world. ukraine is one of them. we have to make it clear to him that the territorial integrity