objects, this debris. still a very difficult task. john young did keep coming back to this point, that it's still a very difficult task, not helped, john, by weather conditions there, either. poor visibility, the actual sea conditions have been described as moderate, but they're in the far southern latitudes. surface vessels also making their way to the area which has been identified as where these objects are. and australian warship has left just outside perth on its way, but that's going to take several days to get there. we do know there's commercial shipping in the region. we don't know whether any commercial ships have yet reached that zone because it's outside the far southern vector that the authorities and the satellite images and the satellites, the pings we've had to date have suggested the plane was. so it's a little bit beyond the