i saw it as sort of defensive also. >> and the polls also indicate what you were saying there, marg re -- margaret. and donald trump had a commanding lead and it's grown from february to august. 10 points he's up since then. you see ron desantis down 12 points. there has been an uptick among some of the other -- only vivek ramaswamy. and we'll talk about the race in the next segment. but what you i do, mario, about why the candidates are not making any headway in light of these indictments? >> well they're scared. they're scared that 30% of the republican base that donald trump wields, they see that base has been energized going back to the alvin bragg case and they're feared of taking a risk for their prospects. because in order to punch the