kind of hard to follow. >> he's trying to make a logical argument, but he's combating a conspiracy theory. >> yes. >> so there's that. but he's also -- in his super pac, his supporters are trying to pivot to territory that i think is more solid ground for pence. watch this. >> america doesn't stand with thugs and dictators. we confront them -- or at least we used to. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> there can be no room in the leadership of the republican party for apologists for putin, there can only be room for champions of freedom. >> on the foreign policy argument, you saw a lot of pictures of trump there. he also told the "associated press" on ukraine with allue respect, i think the former presidd thgovernor of fl that's ron desantis, just don't understand americans' interests in supporting the ukrainian military in repelling the russian military in ukraine. make no mistake, china is