ahmaud arbery had his hands on the firearm? any question at all? travis in his interview told you. i was under shock i.was the under stress, i don't know. if he had his hand on the gun. i think he had my shirt and i think he was punching mow. travis is in a state of desrepair and the medical examiner said from that stand that if ahmaud arbery is trying to pull the gun and full awa that as the gun gets out of his hands and fire, it could fire right on that wrist and shoot into the chest and go across the body. pull it straight out. no question. this is about this gun. travis turns into ahmaud and tries to use his entire body, pulls the end of the shotgun