our secretary of defense has said, and it's a wait and see. i would not believe that until the units have significantly moved away from ukraine. and we're just not seeing that right now. >> is it just an emphasis that's insignificant, or do you see any significance in what matthew chance was just talking about which has been clear disagreements when the biden white house was saying an invasion could be imminent, the ukrainians were saying we don't see it that way. the biden administration says 150,000 troops, enough to have a major incursion and encircle kyiv. the ukrainians say they view that has a large enough force. does that matter or is that just a disagreement that doesn't mat wher it comes to the tactical decisions to be made? >> i do think it matters because russia has the capability of 150,000 troops now amassed around three sides of ukraine. they have the capability to do some limited operations.
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