examples of what affects them and what motivates them, it tells me that this is exactly what you need to do. >> we're lucky now to be joined by the man that just appeared before the senate committee. he joins me live from capitol hill. mubin, i was fascinated to hear that answer you just gave. if you want to countereffect the online recruiting methods towards 15-year-old kids, you've got to target 15-year-old kids. can you talk a little more deeply into the point of exactly what methods do you think would work, going into schools and start teaching about jihadi wars? >> well, i think, i mean, these kids are a product of social networking. i can say i grew up when there was no internet. there was what were called bulletin board systems. one of the first things i downloaded was the anarchist cookbook. these kids today, they're born and bread in this environment.