and mind you, richard, the cardinal rule that we used from day one was always follow the evidence. and the evidence that was presented to us meant that there was precisely the right word for me to use. >> which do you believe it is, nefarious, mechanical, or are you prepared to say? >> not at this stage. it would be wrong for me to speculate because you need hard evidence, richard. >> and that's the problem, you need hard evidence. and there simply isn't any, chris. >> well, it's true, but you were pushing him on the right questions though, in my opinion, richard, because they had been putting out a lot of speculation, the notion that it might have been hostile, it seemed to take a deliberate turn and focusing on the pile t lot.