it needs to be won. is that oversimplifying? >> i think it is. it's like building a house. if you bring the greatest plumber in the world and the greatest electrician and greatest carpenter, but if they're not operating on a single blueprint you're not going to get the right house you want. i think that's the challenge here. >> some of the treasure-trove of the attack that wound uptaking down osama bin laden is his insistence osama bin laden's, of saying stop with this we want a state. try to crush our main enemy's power, attack the embassies in north africa. but they're not doing that. isis is obviously not following the advice of the great bad guy who's now gone. what does that tell you? >> to be honest i'm not sure what it tells us because we always expected al qaeda at large and now isis to go after things which would psychologically effect us now to a degree they are they take ramadi but those kinds of attacks around the world that strike our nerves they haven't done near as much of that as we expected and frankly i'm not sure we know why.