it's how you throw away a general election. >> therein lies the rub. it is not affecting donald trump's poll numbers, his poll numbers have gone up and stayed study. ben carson supporters have suggested they believe he's trustworthy. they don't care about the discrepancies in his childhood. at the moment neither of your theories is proving to be true but you're saying just wait. >> yes, i'm saying it's a long game and that ultimately neither of these individuals, i'll say it flat out, neither of these individuals who are currently the front-runners in the republican party could win a general election. they're stagnant, right? they're at 20%, 25%. they're at 25% of what? of 26% of the electorate. that's what republicans compromise. so truly what they're commanding is a constituency that is somewhere between 5% and 7% of the populous. that's not going to get you a general election victory if you