if you're a democrat, an independent and you're watching this, will somebody stand up to what i think can only be called demagoguery. a leader defines a solution. a demagogue defines a problem and blames somebody. >> you think they go after trump? not hillary tonight? >> they will definitely go after hillary, obama, but if you're an independent, this is very troubling to see someone, first pick on the mexicans. now he's picking on the muslims. >> 38% of independents agree. >> and 15% of democrats. >> you said 15? >> 15. >> 15% of democrats probably believe in ufos. you have a majority of independents and democrats who don't like this kind of thing. and my concern is, is there -- you're talking about strength. >> you have a majority of republicans who don't like this kind of thing. i'm not talking about the muslim ban in particular, i'm talking about trump. you have a majority of the party who has not chosen donald trump. it's the job of the rest of the candidates to explain why his message is wrong. i believe it is.