classroom for their kids to learn. i said at the start it's a different way of learning. >> i have to chime in here. to me it's ridiculous, i have an 8-year-old and 11-year-old. i have independent thinking. if i told my 8-year-old to do what you want at school, he wouldn't learn anything. how does a child at that age really learn. >> according to the founders, there are no real benchmarks to the process. the concept is learn it organically. whether it's 5 or 10 or 15. you would expect the kid to learn to read, things like that. >> how do they gauge if the kid is learning or not? >> again it's an organic process. when the kid is able to read the book. they know it works. >> i'm skeptical. leave it at that. still to come op "new day" -- >> a new film about nelson