the implementation there is there was a quid pro quo. he lays out that he told the ukrainians that they weren't going to get the aid unless they investigated the bidens. that, in fact, is pr sh. that is, in fact, leaning on somebody, a shakedown or what you would call a quid pro quo. so you're talking about threading the needle by suggesting it wasn't the bidens. how else do you think that sondland could navigate this without ending up in legal jeopardy? i talked to jim baker a little while ago. baker told me he thought he was crazy, sondland was crazy to testify. he thinks there's too much risk for him. >> there's the potential he takes the fifth. i don't know how as a preliminary matter having reread his testimony, having looked at that addendum, and having taken hundreds of if not a few thousand depositions in my time as a trial lawyer, i don't know how this gets done this morning. because if i were doing the questioning solo, this is a full day at least proposition.