it and spoke a volume of what they had sos to say. >> yeah. some of them described the relationships she tried to build with them, taking them shopping, to the movies, building this relationship of trust while grooming them. do you think count six is one of the most important ones, because it does carry a max of 40 years. >> yeah. it's very significant, and here's why. remember what this jury was doing. what they were doing in listening to these four girls, right, jane, kate, and annie farmer, carolyn. what they were doing is determining whether or not this was really a coordinated effort between miss maxwell and mr. epstein really to bring him these women to gain, as you noted there, kaitlan, trust through this grooming process, by taking them shopping, by normalizing this, as the prosecution said, this relationship which is far from normal. even as it relates to count six