and we do that by imposing economic costs immediately, we do that by degrading russia's productive capacity, and its access to technology inputs, we do that by fortifying the eastern flank, and over time we think this is a very bad strategic hand we're dealing putin and in the meantime the west is more unified than at any point in the cold war era. >> have the russians moved troops, russian troops into donbas in the last few days? >> here i defer to the defense department, john. we're still looking at the evi evidence and i would defer to them in terms of their conclusions. >> that's a nonanswer. i respect your choice not to give me an answer, but that's a big deal, right? either they moved forces in or they haven't. correct? >> they have been moving little green men into the donbas and crimea for eight years now.