on this rolls royce question, whether the engines continued to send telemetry and data via the a-card system, it's possible they could have done except if the -- if the plane had kept flying but we've heard from the -- we just heard from the malaysian transport minister that they did not receive any information. so this -- i mean, put it as blunt as i can, carol, "the wall street journal" quoting unnamed sources at rolls royce in britain says they continue to receive data. the malaysians say they did not. so it seems that the a-car system, this is the automatic reporting system which the plane transmits morning, noon and night while it's in flight stopped at the same time as everything else did at 0127. >> so you are saying bluntly "the wall street journal" report is wrong? >> i'm not saying it. the malaysian department, the