he said he was driven by profound feeling of staunch defiance to clear his name. he was extremely angry. and we know that he and uefa actually defied the fifa ethics committee yesterday by keeping michel platini as president and coming out publicly yesterday saying they will continue to back him. now we know that up until yesterday, michel platini was a front-runner for the fifa presidential candidacy in 2016. another candidate was also banned yesterday for six years. that was south korea's chung jung moon. big questions asked about where fifa go from here and the future of their presidency. >> right. because they're expected to have an election, as you say, in early 2016. so how did they continue to manage all of this during this drama? and can fifa just itself survive? >> unsurprisingly, natalie, uefa