foreign policy objectives. on the other hand, i think that there is room for let's say, accommodation, compromise, mostly on the format of any agreements to be reached, rather than on the substance of those agreements. i think that for the russian leadership, ukraine in nato or nato in ukraine is totally unacceptable. and there's little compromise on the russian side that i can see. but on the format of the agreement -- on the actual details of what may be agreed, i think that there is some room for discussion, negotiations, and eventually compromise. >> so you still think it's possible? >> well, let's say this. i don't think that war is inevitable. i don't think that negotiations are doomed. but i do not rule out any of the