lawyer in new york city. so it will be interesting to see how their professional backgrounds inform how they express themselves before the committees today. all three of them are very good. i think they will be able to put the best foot forward for their sides but they will be really pressed here because as we have been discussing, this is a very contentious partisan process and so each one is going to be closely cross examined by the party in opposition. there you see berry berke shaking hands with steven castor. this is -- ross, you're familiar with these witnesses as well. >> yeah. and, you know, we've seen a bit of each one of them before and i -- you know, i think what we're going to see is them sort of honor, you know, their experiences. goldman is this career prosecutor. we saw some very, very crisp,