interesting to me is even if he doesn't run, the field of candidates, the potential field of candidates are modelling themselves after either policies that he shepherded when he was president or the personality that catapulted him to office. the type of appeal that he got with the white working class base that he built for the republican party. so either it's going to be president trump who is a front runner in 2024, or it's going to be someone -- it's likely to be someone who is modelling themselves after him. >> he owns the party in effect. >> exactly. >> i wonder as you look to the flip side, the biden presidency is facing its toughest approval rating. down double digits, according to some polling. is that a listing drop in your view for president biden? >> i've been talking to pollsters about this a few weeks