through that, you know, we started to accept tony sopranos on practically every show on tele56. it was because he had that depth, he was able to bring a kind of relatability, a sadness, a kind of a depth to the character that worked alongside the terrible things he was doing in all the terrible ways in which he acted. and that is the, in my boork i argue that's the defining, redefining trade of what this i'm calling the third golden age of television. >> right. thank you so much for joining me. i want to leave this segment with a little clip from inside the actor's studio in 2004, obviously by james lipton, particularly poignant given james gandolfini's tragic death. let's watch this. >> if heaven exist, what would you like to hear good say when you arrive at the pearly gates? >> take over for a while, i'll be right back.