we don't see color, we don't see race, we don't see gender and that is not honest and that is not true. you can't continue to have this intoxicated training method and you wake up drunk and say you don't have a drinking problem. we are intoxicated with ineffective policing in america. recognize your frailties. recognition that you come to the police department, you come from a society where race and gender plays a role in what we do. now let's train our police officers to leave that baggage behind and how to police effectively, not based on the baggage you come into a police department with. >> harry, does training need to change? >> well, training definitely needs to change. to what eric said, i was never trained to act differently in a high-crime neighborhood or low-crime neighborhood. i believe that policing is effectively the same everywhere, but in high-crime areas, all right, you have to be a little bit more aggressive because that's where police officers get shot and killed. so police officers need to protect themselves. and that's one of the main reasons.