vince. >> that's correct. >> well, it's not really a matter of missing them early. i still see them on and off. . >> it was really me and robin that were in conflict. and i think maurice was in the middle. >> story of my life, really. i've been coming up, and say can you call robin and see if he wants to? that and robin and say, well, give barry a call. barry, you call robin. and they both say no we won't. and for 18 months, and they never did. >> we had a fascination with calling the newspapers. you call anomie or you call disco music echo and say, all right. robin said this about me, and i just want to be able to correct them. written all that stuff. >> it was a whole strange episode of our lives. but a lot of things had gone down at the time, and we needed time apart to think about. >> at caixin hall, vip