she was fun. she was bright. you know, all the kids would be outside playing and you could hear katie over all of them laughing, having fun. and she was just a beautiful little girl. >> she was a character. i mean very independent, strong willed. did not want to do what she's told. she went through a phase where she called me ken. it was funny and cute, kind of. but at the same time it was like no katy, i'm your dad. call my dad or father. okay, kenneth. >> ken and i got divorced when kate was probably 5. i had took custody of the kids but any time he wanted to see them, it was fine. they could go out there and they normally went out there like every other weekend they would