and it's no surprise that when we highlight the studies, however controversial, among african-american leadership who are almost uniform in thinking irrespective of the evidence, that's no surprise. we have a political aprech to th -- approach to this and scalia has a legal academic approach. >> jeff, you want to pipe in. >> well, you know, you can certainly understand why african-americans and many others are somewhat surprised that antonin scalia knows better what's good for african-americans rather than, say, the naacp legal defense fund. >> that isn't what he said, jeffrey. come on. that isn't what he said. he highlighted academic studies showing these policies don't help african-americans and maybe hurt them. >> you talked about the big lie. >> it's not the big lie. the big truth is that the disadvantages that you refer to in terms of various legs up for whatever reason, be that you're the kid of somebody, you play a support.