it's like how do you feel when you put your wedding ring on? proud. >> but when it comes to the club, are you supposed to be submissive? >> submissive? that word -- >> it's like it sets us back like in the 1950s and it's like -- >> a dog is submissive, we respect our husbands and we respect the club. >> i think our role is a choice. >> as a wife, do you feel like the club comes before you? >> i really don't even know how to answer that. i believe that david would try to protect us all equally. >> i don't feel like my husband puts me on the back burner or that i'm less than. >> i've been in a position where i felt like the club did come first, and where are you going? don't ask me. okay. but with time it evolved, and