entakenment industry. you're sitting on a woman from afar and refusing to give up when she acts like she's not interested. it's a bet that nerd and nerd media kept repeating. you said there's a consistent message that men get from hollywood. >> i'm not going -- i don't think i would go to say it's a mono culture that's always exactly the same story. but when you have stories about -- when you have stories about underdog guys trying against all odds, there's usually a woman in the story who's there sort of as the reward. >> someone is having a conversation without us. is someone having a conversation? okay. go ahead. finish your thought. >> i mean, it's kind of undeniable. if you go past movies, you look