himself out of the thick of this and lay low while under investigation. >> and one of the things the indictment laze out is there's a russian national involved behind the money they were funneling into u.s. politics. you can't help but think back to what the intelligence community found with russia and the 2016 election. >> this is the point i think wee we've all been making and we can know the tip of the iceberg and this seems to be at least by appearances an effort that it was extensive, systematic. had a bad news bear way and a lack of awareness of potential criminal liability and there's so much more to be learned. and what the white house is doing right now by saying that they don't want to cooperate is