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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 January 16, 2013

Kentucky. Police say a third victim was taken to the hospital with severe injuries and the motive for the shooting is unknown at the time. Thats what weve been told. Its unknown whether they were suspects or witnesses. Keep you updated on that. Thanks for watching. Anderson starts right now. Erin, thanks. We begin as we do every night keeping them honest, offering up facts, not opinions. Our goal is just reporting, finding the truth and calling out hipo ochlhipocrisy. Lance armstrong over the last 24 hours, he cheated, lied about it for years and years and years and now he is reportedly coming clean, somewhat. Using performanceenhancing drugs to win bicycle races. Oprah said that he was forthcoming but did not come clean in the manner in which she expected. What that means is not clear. Oprah is too good to give it all away. I choose not to characterized. I would rather people make their own decisions whether he was contrite or not. I felt he was thoughtful. I thought that he was serious. I thought that he certainly had prepared himself for this moment. I would say that he met the moment. And at the end of it, two and a half literally two and a half hours, we both were pretty exhausted. And i would say i was satisfied. Well, whatever ultimately made it to tape we wont know till later this week, longtime followers of armstrong say they are not ready to take anything he says at face value. Reporters, teammates and even onetime fans all describe him as a born manipulator who will do whatever it takes for only one person, Lance Armstrong. Keep in mind as they point to a record of lying that rivals his record of winning. Were sick and tired of these allegations and were going to do everything we can to fight them. Theyre absolutely untrue. Ive said it for seven years. Ive said it for longer than seven years. I have never doped. I can say it again. But ive said it for seven years. It doesnt help. How could it have taken place when ive never taken performanceenhancing drugs . Go back to 1995, steven schwart, riding with you, kiwi on a motorola team. He has told espn when the team was struggling in 1995 that you announced the team you were going to begin doping and encouraged other teammates to do the same. What do you say to that account . Complete nonsense. It cant be any clearer that ive never taken drugs, then incidents like that couldnt have happened. Why would i enter into a sport and dope myself up and risk my life again . No, no way. My case, i came out of a lifethreatening disease. I was on my death bed. Do you think im going to come back intoey sport and say, okay, i just want to go fast. No way would never do that. Lance armstrong denying it all, time and time again. Since then, u. S. Antidoping agency has put out more than 1,000 pages of allegations and evidence against armstrong and his teammates, calling armstrongs drug ring the most sophisticated in the history of sports. He has been stripped of his seven Tour De France titles, barred from competition, stepped down from the live strong charity that he founded. Until now he has denied everything. He has a long history of lashing out at people who tried to expose him, the people who dared to suggest that armstrong was on something other than his bike. That was, in many cases, a brave stance to take. In almost every case it was followed by a Lance Armstrong sponsored scorch earth campaign. Once described him as one of his closest friends, teammates in the 1990s. Frankie and his wife betsy frequently socialized with armstrong. This picture shows the three of them cooking dinner in 1995 together. What would become a quickly pattern, armstrong turned on the andreas after they testified that armstrong used performanceenhancing drugs. Armstrong vehementally deny ied using drugs. Calling her vindictive and jealous and portrayed her husband as bitter because his cycling contract with armstrongs team was not renewed after the 2000 season. Then there was this, a voicemail left for betsy andreu by a friend and associate of armstrong. I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head but i also hope that one day you will have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy. Its pathetic, betsy. I thought you were a better person than that. Betsy andreu provided the voicemail to the new york daily new news as evidence of the threats and intimidation she says they suffered. Then theres greg lamand, the only american to win the most grueling race before armstrong went on his string of seven straight wins. The relationship between the two men was anything but close, especially after lamande questioned armstrongs association with a controversial italian doctor named mikali ferrari. He says armstrong was clearly upset at l machlt a. Who does greg think he is, talking about ferrari . Im going to take him down. And he did. Armstrong had great influence with the bike sponsored trekk which dropped its support of lamonds brand, damaging his bike business. He also intimidated his critics and rivals during competition. In the 2004 Tour De France, armstrong comfortably held the races overall lead but surprised everyone when he chased down filipo cimioni. Why . Only to punish him and prove a point. He had crossed armstrong in the past by testifying against dr. Ferrari about doping. Armstrong publicly called simioni a liar and told him privately he could, quote, destroy him. After catching him, this gesture of armstrong during the race was widely seen to be directed toward simioni, a warning to stay silent. Teammate Tyler Hamilton fo followed a code of silence until this 60 minutes interview. You saw Lance Armstrong inject epo . Yeah, like we all did. Like i did many, many times. After that interview aired, hamilton began to cooperate with the federal investigation into armstrong. He was physically acosted by armstrong inside a restaurant according to an affidavit and armstrong told hamilton he would make his life a living hell. Why would they say these things . Armstrong was asked in an interview about espn about his former friends and teammates who testified about doping. I surrounded myself with, at ti times, questionable people and ive not, in the past, been great with when riders leave teams or relationships end, perhaps i havent handled that properly and i admit that freely and personally people hate that. I would hate it, too. But why people would lie and tell stories some of them, obviously, were paid. Some of them had other motives. Thats clear. So hes lying there. He heard a bit from Tyler Hamilton, he and daniel coyle have cowritten the secret race inside the Tour De France race. I spoke with daniel coyle along with espn analyst. What i dont understand is why armstrong is doing this now. Just a few months ago, he had a chance to avoid lifetime banishment. They invited him to come clean to be part of the solution. He turned them down flat. What happened between then and now . What changed . This is a perfect way into the way lances brain works, very god at looking at them in a binary way. Its not about being consistent with him. Its about winning and that brain is really built for that. This point you figure the best path forward was to go to oprah. Thats what hes doing. The problem that he faces is that you can win the Tour De France but its hard to win a confession. That has to do with genuine feeling. It has to do with contrition. Juliette, you were saying the most important thing to remember is that armstrong is an athlete, that hes not in this to say sorry, clean up cycling or help charity. He wants to compete in competitions and he cant do that now. Exactly. I think the difference between several months ago and now is that he has had several months of no competition and for a guy like Lance Armstrong, that must be torture. He has been an athlete since he has just been a little kid, like a teenager. He was a professional triathlete and barely finished high school because of his triathlon career and he has had time to think about how he is lonely, how he doesnt have the adulation of fans at the finish line and nobody to beat right now and its driving him nuts. Legally, roger, theres a whole bunch of reasons why he should not have done this, right . Yeah. You know, i hear what the other guests are saying, but as a lawyer, it goes against everything i know. Im not the only one who knows the liability hes facing. He has wonderful lawyers who have given him advice over the years. He is looking at, in excess, if everything goes wrong, judgments in excess of perhaps 100 million. I am actually waiting to see how much he really confesses and what he confesses to. Legally, who does he owe money to if hes depending on who decides to sue him or currently who is suing him . Theres a whistleblowers lawsuit going on right now that floyd landis has brought and that the Justice Department may join. That has to do with all of the money he got from the u. S. Po Postal Service and the question is, did he get it under false pretenses . Under his contract, he said that he would do nothing that would bring him embarrassment, and not use drugs. So if he gets up and admits that he breached that contract under the whistleblower statute, he not only has to pay back all the money he has, he has taken, but could get hit with trouble damages, which means three times the amount of money hes taking. It is pretty this is what makes lance lance. He likes risk. This is why he has succeeded in this corrupt world of cycling for so long. Smuggling bags of blood underneath dog kennels into the tour, giving transfusions on the bus during the tour. He doesnt shy away from risk. Thats what this is. He has made the calculation. He has a net worth over 100 million. He probably wont lose all of it. You think he will have to pay back some of these lawsuits . He will pay back some. He will settle. The government settles these sort of cases. Lets say he loses 50 million bucks, he still has a fair amount. Hes not going to starve. More importantly, he will have his narrative back, his life as a competitive athlete back. The question is, is he going to apologize to the people he hurt along the way . We talk about this as if hes the only part of the story. In fact, hes not. The story is much bigger than just him. He has great pr. But, as you and i talked about before, juliette, he was a jerk to an awful lot of people. I mean, he sought to destroy people who would testify against him, who had spoken the truth. I think jerk is an understatement. I think a lot of those people are devastated right now. And i dont really know what to think when hes calling some of these people up to apologize. I actually spoke to a few people he has reached out to and theyre like dumbfounded. They dont know whether to believe him or not. Did you see him threaten people, reporters who reported things that he felt were inappropriate . Well, i mean, he has threatened lawsuits many, many times against reporters, including one that he actually won, a libel lawsuit against the sunday times of london when a writer, david walsh, one of his earliest naysayers, shall we say, published some information in the paper that said he had doped. He won that lawsuit. Of course, the sunday times of london is asking for that money back right now. He was a master at intimidating people. He had this great story going on, a fairytale story from the very first time he won the Tour De France and people were enamored with it, including many of the journalists covering it. If anybody wrote anything that was negative, he sometimes would call you on the phone in the morning, yelling at you or criticizing you, or he would actually blackball you and not give you any interviews if you wrote anything negative. And for a journalist who had made their money or made their living covering cycling or covering Lance Armstrong, to not get access to lance, that meant they were dead in the water. He had a lot of power. Can he portray himself as just one of many people on his team who dope . Because a written article in the times, i think it was, that seemed to indicate thats the way he was going to spin this. He wasnt at the epicenter of this. He can try to do that. I think its going to be difficult for him because of the thousand pages. Right. Of the evidence that paint a very different picture. Right. Because of the book the secret race that paints a very different picture. He used his power ruthlessly. Lance armstrong called the shots on that team. He was the star of the team. Everybody was there to make sure he won, right . He was the tony soprano. Yeah. Literally extensions of his bo body. Their power was his power. Thats how he used it. When you crossed him, he cut you dead. You were gone. It will be interesting, julia, to see how he plays this. 2 1 2 hours, oprah will air this over two nights and she said she was prepared, she had done a lot of reading, watched a lot of his interviews and was prepared to get very specific and found that she didnt have to do that if he denied one thing, she would say, well, what about on page such and such of this book. She said she didnt have to do that. Whether that means he got specific or im not sure how to read that. What do you think . I think oprah is great. Shes a great business woman and a great interviewer. Im sure she prepared a lot for this interview. I guarantee you that Lance Armstrong prepared more. He had about a dozen people telling him what to do, what to say, how to act. Im sure he went over and over in a mirror to get the right facial expressions, to find the right emotions. This is his chance on turning his life around. Its going to be fascinating to watch. Juliette mcker, daniel coyle and roger cossack, thank you. 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Number of residents have been inundated by prank calls by people who think they are part of a government and media conspiracy. Its not just some internet extremists alleging these conspiracies. This is james tracy, tenure professor at a school that is taxpayer funded. He claims the shooting at sandy hook elementary did not happen as reported and may not have happened at all. Here is what he wrote. One is left to inquiry whether the sandy hook shooting ever took place, at least in the way Law Enforcement authorities and the nations news media have described. Normally we wouldnt dignify these types of remarks by covering them but james tracy is a tenure professor at a public university. His comments have caused deep distress to the victims families. He gave a statement saying, quote, i apologize for any additional anguish and grief my remarks, and how they have been taken out of context and misrepresented, who may have caused the families that lost loved ones on december 14ingth. At the same time i believe what we can give them is a way to identi identify. Basically accused me on his blog of targeting him and his family. He posted as a question, as he often does, in the headline of the post, does Anderson Cooper want james tracy and or his family members harmed . He also includes a photo of me that looks like im in the middle of a rant. Im not actually. Thats a picture of me from an interview i did with Comedian Kathy Griffin on her show. Its not even from this show. In the blog post tracy says because i named him and showed his picture on friday i must have wanted to cause him harm. I can assure him and everyone else, that is not the case. I believe in free speech and professor tracy has the right to say whatever he wants. But as a too mucher at a public university, we think he should be accountable for the things he says and be willing to defend them. About that, tracy makes the case, if you want to call it a case, that news organizations and the government may have worked together to dupe you, the public, in order to gain support for gun control laws. He even suggested that government may have hired trained crisis actors. At the very least, they think that reporters botched the story by not digging deep enough and really investigating what happened in newtown. Earlier reports that other suspects were arrested after the shooting, suggesting that perhaps there was more than one gunman. This is a major point many conspiracy theorists argue, that reporters never followed up on who was arrested. That is not true. We know, for instance, that manfordonia was handcuffed by police the morning of the shooting. He confirmed that to us. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with first graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur. He ended up in handcuffs. Tracy isnt the only one claiming sandy hook might have been staged. Others say the family of emilie park parker, who passionately spoke about his daughter, this man who spoke about his daughter, came out and spoke to reporters about his daughter being killed, you probably watched this speech. Many

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