Should. Hes great. Hes number two. Daniel daylewis. Tommy lee jones is brilliant. And hell of a nice guy here. Are you still winning, charlie . Today i am with you. Absolutely. Its been brilliant to see you again. Likewise. Thank you so much. Come back again. Youre an absolute pro. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thats all for us tonight. Anderson cooper starts now. Good evening, everyone. Breaking news tonight, Lance Armstrongs confession continued. Its over now. Tonight on Oprah Winfreys own network he sort of broke down telling oprah what it was like as a father of five kids to lie to a child, to lie to a son, his son luke. When this all really started, i saw my son defending me and saying, thats not true. What youre saying about my dad is not true. And it almost goes to this question of why now. You know, he cant yeah. Thats when i knew i had to tell him. What did you say . I said, listen, theres been a lot of questions about your dad. My career, whether i doped or did not dope. I have always denied that, and i have always been ruthless and defiant about that. You guys have seen that. Thats probably why you trusted me on it, which make it is even sicker. And i said i want you to know that its true. I told luke. I said i said dont defend me anymo anymore. Dont. Did he say anything . He just said, look, you know, i love you. Youre my dad. This wont change that. Emotional moments. No tears visible but probably the most emotional Lance Armstrong got in the whole 2 1 2hour interview. Armstrong talked about another painful moment when the Cancer Foundation he founded livestrong said it was through with him. None of my kids have said, dad, youre out. None ever my friends have said, hey, lance, youre out. The foundation is like my sixth child, and to make that decision and to step aside was, that was big. They made it for you. I was aware i wouldnt at all say forced out, told to leave. I was aware of the pressure, and, yes, i had interactions with doug and with some of the board members. It was the best thing for the organization, but it hurt like hell. Lance armstrong with oprah on the own network tonight. Last night in part one he admitted he was living, in wiss words, one big lie and every jersey he won he won by cheating. He copped to the doping but he did not say he was a lot more than a user, that he encouraged others on his team to dope. That he pressured them. Joining me now, the people who know Lance Armstrong like few others do, betsy andreu whose husband wrote with lance. Daniel coil o kau they are of the book the secret race. Also Bill Strickland an editoratlarge at bicycling magazine and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. Betsy, your thoughts, you didnt actually watch the second part of the interview, but now on the totality of what he has said, your thoughts tonight . Yeah. I didnt. I couldnt watch the interview tonight not because i didnt want to, i taped it, i will watch it. I have been asked a lot, and for me its a sense of relief more than vindication, but its a tremendous sense of sadness. Yesterday i was obviously visibly upset, and today its as you said, its a sense of sadness. Sadness about what . It, how it has affected so many people in such a destructive way. Thats why. I mean, it hurts obviously it has a toll on lance. So many people in the saga have been hurt. I dont know if you touched upon greg for example. His children, people who just defended him to the ninth or the tenth, whatever you say. He hurt the sport of cycling. He caused it irreparable damage. After all he did to you, do you feel sorry for him . Yeah, i kind of do. Does that surprise you . Yeah, considering last week i wasnt showing it was more eye for an eye, tooth for the tooth, and this week it doesnt mean i think he should get off in any way, shape, or form because my fear is if you were going to get a slap on the wrist, things would go back to the way they were. Because after he had cancer, he became a person that i didnt almost i didnt recognize. So we have to wait and see. We have to see whats next. I hope that he will testify to usada and tell the truth, and the right thing can be done. I have always said hes hurt a lot of people. It cant be underestimated how much he has hurt people, and i dont even think he really understands the emotional toll, the mental toll, the financial to toll, but hes going to he has to pay the price some way, somehow, and living in his own hell isnt going to i dont know if thats going to suffice, but, again, i dont know. Im a mixed bag of emotions right now. Youre saying he needs to testify. He actually wasnt asked about that by oprah about whether or not he would testify. He was he talked about the punishment that he faces, about being banned from competition. He said id love the opportunity to compete. I think i deserve it, that he says he thinks he said he thinks he deserves it, tonight . Yeah, quote he said i think i deserve it. He also said everybody else got a sixmonth suspension. Oprah said did you get what you deserve . He said i deserve to be punished, quoting im not sure i deserve a Death Penalty. I just want to play this sound here. This may not be the most popular answer, but i think i deserve it. Maybe not right now, but if you look at the situation, if you look at the culture and you look at the sport and you see the punishments. Thats why i told you if i could go back to that time and say, okay, youre trading my story for a sixmonth suspension . Thats what people got. Which is what other people got. What everybody got. So i got a Death Penalty and they got meaning you can never compete again. In anything. And im not saying that thats unfair necessarily, but im saying its different. Do you think youve gotten what you deserve . For a long time you were saying everybody was on the witch hunt, on the witch hunt, on the witch hunt for you. Do you think in this moment considering how big you were, what that meant, how much people believed, what your name and brand stood for sure. Yeah. I deserve to be punished. Im not sure i deserve a Death Penalty. For the record he does not have a Death Penalty. Hes not allowed to compete in sanctioned spording again. Betsy, youre hearing that for the first time. What do you think . In a way i really dont think he understands the magnitude of what hes done. He keeps saying that it was the culture, it was the culture, it was the culture. Well, you can say it was the culture of baseball to break the home run record to be a doper. That doesnt mean that everybody succumbed and gave in and took steroids to hit a ball far. So i think hes trying to reason this out, and hes just not hes just not being hes just not being logical. I think hes being a little delusional. Im going to bill because lets bring in bill. What do you think . Yeah. I think what were seeing here is someone who maybe doesnt know how to tell the truth or look inside and see the truth. I thought the most riveting part when he was talking about his kids was when he said, they just accepted it, as if he couldnt imagine that humans would just love him even if hed made mistakes. I thought that was such an insight into him. I found it interesting in talking about his son, which was clearly he was moved by it, but there wasnt any actual breakdown. There wasnt thats the most human i have ever seen him, and even then to me of it wasnt that human. What did you think . To people who know him well, i have had some conversations in the last day from former teammates who watched the interview, its almost like you have to adjust the contrite level on your screen. They saw yesterday and im sure they saw today as being the most they were stunned at how contrite he was and the rest of us, a lot of americans who didnt know him as well, saw that and said, boy, he doesnt seem very moved. Its almost like hes got this suit of emotional armor on that hes having a hard time breaking out of, and clearly i think betsys point is great. Hes sitting in a crater and its not all logical, is it . Hes trying to make connections, trying to think his way out, talk his way out, make a story, and its sort of not working. Go ahead, betsy. I was going to say when frank and i spoke with him, we truly we felt that he was sincere and he was genuine, and the way he was on the phone with us, and i dont want to go into detail, but the way he was on the phone with us was far different than hes portraying himself on tv. I dont know if its because he was very nervous or if hes trying to be stoic or have a stiff upper lip. I dont know. But i think it would have been a great benefit to him maybe to let that guard down, but i agree with bill, part of the problem here is telling the truth and being contrite, apologizing, its inconceivable to us, but its a new concept to lance. He was asked by o bra, can you feel how you have shattered other peoples lives. His response was yeah. He also said he didnt try to pay off usada. I want to play one more sound bite from his apology. We talked about apologies, and i told you that i owe a lot of people apologies, and the obvious ones, the ones that we know by name, the frankies, the betsys, the greg, the tyler, the floyd landis, i owe them apologies. Whenever they are ready, i will give them. What was he trying to accomplish here . That remains puzzling to me. He talks about being reinstated. That he thinks he should be reinstated. Hes 41 years old. His career as an elite athlete was over anyway. He said he would love to run in the chicago marathon at age 50. Okay. But is that something thats so different from what he used to be, to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack in the chicago marathon nine years from now but hes dominated triathlons. A triathlon is a huge sport in his country. He could be a big name in the world of triathlon. The world of triathlons. Thats a tiny world. Compared to the Tour De France. Yes, compared to the Tour De France, but triathlons are a big sport. Jeff, i dont know how often youre running out there but there are a lot of folks competings in triathlons. Theres not the scale of the Tour De France, but there are a lot of events in which hes a competitor. He wants to compete. Well, you can also time yourself and see if you can beat your next time. You can also be a normal weekend athlete. I gra he with jeff. Its a puzzle that he would do this, 4. 3 Million People watched this last night. It turned into sort of a super bowl. But lance turns everything into sort of a super bowl. Thats what being lance is. Hes always had this sinemetic sense of self that hes always been filmed in his own movie. Hes almost addicted to that notion of himself as a hero. I think thats one of the more moving things at the end when she said what kind of human being are you, and he didnt have much of an answer, did he . We have to take a quick break. Well have more with our panel on the other side. Well be right back. 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Ive always had to keep my eye on her. But, i didnt always watch out for myself. With so much noise about health care. I tuned it all out. With unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters. My individual health profile. Not random statistics. They even reward me for addressing my health risks. So im doing fine. But shes still going to give me a heart attack. Were more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. Thats health in numbers. Unitedhealthcare. Welcome back. More on the breaking news, in Lance Armstrongs more words. Some ugly stuff. How he tarnished the Cancer Foundation he founded. Part two of his interview with Oprah Winfrey aired moments ago on her network own. It is over now. In it armstrong talks about the staggering financial empire he built that crumbled in a single day. I have lost certainly lost all future income. Emotional and you could look at those two days or day and a half where people left, and i want to give you a number. You asked me the cost. I dont like thinking about it, but that was i dont know. That was a 75 million day. That just went out of your life. Gone. Gone. Gone. And probably never coming back. Panel betsy andreu, author daniel coyle, jeffrey toobin. His fortune has been estimated do you think its fair to say Lance Armstrong would not be Lance Armstrong if it were not for his doping . If he had not dond, he wouldnt have that money i mean oprah we wouldnt be sitting here talking about him because he wouldnt have achieved the things, the fame, the endorsements all of that had he not doped. Betsy . But thats all stolen money. Im jumping up and down here saying are you kidding me . You lost 75 million . Boo hoo hoo hoo. I am hes not getting it. What about greg la mans bike company. That was completely destroyed. It doesnt make sense. What about scott mercy not having a career. Chr christof not having a career. Other guys not doing what he wanted them to do not having a career. You cant put a price tag on opportunity lost. Wrer not talking about millions of dollars. Were talking about people who want to make a living so they can pay a mortgage and save some money after. And all the people who were never able to accomplish or reach the heights that, you know, of fame that could have brought them income because Lance Armstrong had the entire spotlight and it was based on doping. Tyler hamblins life once said Lance Armstrong is like donald trump who sees a Small Grocery store and wants to put them out of business. He soaked up all the sunlight, all the energy, all the money of that sport of that era. Greg lamont, when i was prior to Lance Armstrong, greg lamond was i dont know much about the world of cycling but i remember greg lamond. He had an incredible story. He was an incredible competitor after Lance Armstrong and Lance Armstrong, as betty said, went after greg lamond. Do you think Lance Armstrong gets it, bill . I think he gets that he should get it, and i think what were seeing here is hes really struggling with it. Whats interesting to me is theres sort of parallel views of this going on. Theres a lot of people who are skeptical, but i was reading all the reactions today from jonathan and Tyler Hamilton and frankie. They have all acknowledged how hard it is just to do what hes done, and frankie in a report today was saying number yuntil you sit down and Start Talking to usada you dont know how hard that is. The people who are there and made the mistakes he did in a smaller way, they seem to have more empathy for him than everyone else. Interesting. Oprah asked about paying off allegations that he attempted to pay off usada or somebody in his world attempted to pay off usada. Lets listen to what he said. Last wednesday night travis tie gert ceo of usada told 60 minutes sports that someone on your team offered a donation that usada did not accept. He said it was over 150,000. Were you trying to pay off usada . No. Thats not true. That is not true . That is not true. And in the thousandpage recent decision they issued, there was a lot of stuff in there. Yes. Everything was in there. And hes saying it wasnt na that 1,000 page report. Travis tie gart had said that on 60 minutes sport. I would believe travis. Travis. Betsy, you would agree . Travis, yes. My vote is for travis. By the way, travis tie gert is a huge hero in all of this. Theres a guy who was attacked by lance sued, you know, who was marginalized in the sports world and hes completely vindicated by these events, and, you know, well see if Lance Armstrong actually cooperates with usada. Its one thing to sit there with Oprah Winfrey and have the whole world stare at you and feed your ego in a perverse way. Sitting there with travis tie gert and actually going through where did you get the drugs, who gave it to you because he really did not go into much detail. I mean, he kind of said it all blends together, i dont remember being in a tent and doing this, he kind of gave broad brush strokes very vague. But there was not a lot of in depth, this is how the whole operation works. And that takes time and many, many ser views and a lot of energy and it takes him facing all these things hes repressed for so long. We talked about whether or not he gets it. He talk 3wd that tonight. Lets listen. When Something Like this happens, what you hope is that it leaves an impression that causes a shift or a change within you. Has that happened with you yet . Id be lying if i said that it has. Again, i keep going to this word and this idea of process. I got work to do, and its i cant theres not going to be one tectonic shift here that says okay, hes good now. He talked about this being a process a lot, and he talked about that hes now in more regular therapy, that hes been in therapy on and off over years, but he needs to be in regular therapy. Talked about being willing to apology to people when theyre willing to hear it and ready to hear it. But the question is will he testify. Will he actually, you know, name names of other folks and will he go in front 6 usada. And hes going to be spending plenty of times in courtrooms over the next