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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 April 25, 2014

Has been listening for word of her loved one. We are waiting for word on what could be the last search for the bluefin in this phase. What is the latest tonight . Yeah, and if it goes as it has in recent days, john, we should be hearing about mission 12 in the next hour or two or three. But as you said, the previous 11 missions have yielded absolutely nothing, no sign of mh370. The mission 12 should be done by now and we should hear about that any moment. You make a good point, though, this was the area that the searchers were expressing confidence about. They thought it was their best shot. This was focused around the largest and longest acoustic sound that they hoped was a ping from the black boxes. We are hearing they are still confident they will find something at some point, somewhere, how long will it take, they dont know. How long are you hearing about the plans for the longterm search . Because we really do seem to be at that phase. Reporter yeah, with this focused area they really did narrow down what was a really broad search area. And now, one that would appear to be almost complete. They might redo some of those areas, just go near the first ping, which is just north of this area. They could look at that arc where the flight path was suspected to be, 300 miles by 30 miles. There are talks going on, malaysia, the u. S. , the australians and others. And they say next week they will have a better idea. It could be a complete reset. The ship, the ocean shield that is out there working with the bluefin. It could take time. One of the assets theyre looking at is a vehicle like the orion, which is a very powerful side scan sonar that can be towed behind a ship. The advantage of that, it sends back Realtime Data to the mother ship. And of course it can save time and go much deeper than the bluefin. Michael holmes, thank you so much, news about this phase could come any time now. And what is news to us is deeply personal to anyone with connections to anyone on the flight. They have a hunger for the truth that so far has gone largely unmet. It is not that theyre expecting the final word on what happened to the boeing triple 7 more than a month and a half ago. Many are demanding far more information from the officials, especially from the malaysian authorities. Right now youre looking at chinese families marching on the embassy in beijing. Similar confrontations have been taking place in kuala lumpur. Tonight, well speak to one of the most passionate critics of the investigation. Sarah bajc, whose life partner was on the plane. And tonight, we learned about answers taking them to the very top. He spoke exclusively today with malaysias Prime Minister asking him many of the questions the families have been asking. Including why after the jump jumbo jet left that area, why did they not scramble to find it . No planes were sent up on the night to investigate . No, because it was simply deemed not to be hostile. Dont you find that troubling that a civil aircraft can turn back, fly across the country and nobody thinks to go up and have a look . Because one of two things, i understand that the threat level, and i understand either the plane is in trouble and needs help, or it is nefarious and you really want to know what somebody is going up there to do. So as Prime Minister, dont you find that troubling . You see, coming back to my earlier statements, they were not sure whether it was mh370. Even more reason to go up and have a look. They were not sure. But it behaved like a commercial airline. Behaved like a commercial airline . That is not all he told richard, some of it ended with placating the families, including new word on the preliminary report released to International Authorities and will be released to the public next week but has yet to be shown to the families. Richard quest joins us now. And richard, i want to start with the point that you really pressed the Prime Minister on. It really seems to be a glaring hole in the explanation. He said the blip on the radar screen didnt act like a hostile aircraft. It seems like theyre not revealing information. I think we know exactly why, john, in some shape or form. It was a young junior radar officer, is my understanding on duty that night. There is no threat level or particularly high threat level at the moment in malaysia. He saw the plane. He recognized it as a civil aircraft and he didnt do anything about it. That is going to be in many ways the big question when we get the final report that the authorities are going to have to answer. Everything else, john, is just stuff. Names are different, and last words. Searching here, searching there. The core issue is why they didnt send up a plane to investigate as they did with the ethiopian hijacking recently, that seems to be the normal procedure. And that was the key question you pressed him on, and the key answer he did not give. Another question, richard, is the Prime Minister confident now . What does he think about the area theyre searching . Does he think it is the right search area . Whether he thinks it or not it is all they have got. And that is because of the inmarsat data, the socalled handshake, those six and a halfplus handshakes were in the indian ocean where they picked up the pings. So the blunt question for the Prime Minister of malaysia, when he heard about the inmarsat data and he heard what was happening did he have confidence in it . To be honest, i find it hard to believe to begin with. Because how could a plane that was supposed to be heading towards beijing, you know they could decide that the plane and the half way towards antarctica, it is a bizarre scenario. Which none of us could have contemplated. So that is why when i met the team, and mind you, these are the main experts in the aviation industry. I asked them again and again and again, are you sure. And their answer to me was, we are assure as we can possibly be. And that is, john, really sums it all up. Because no matter how many critics i have heard who say why are they searching there . What is the reliability of the inmarsat data . Should not they produce the numbers and data . I dont know, this data was reviewed by the ntsb, the waib, by boeing, the malaysians and others. There has been plenty of peer review about it. And as the Prime Minister went on to tell me it is all they have got. Uhhuh. Well ask some of the best minds in the business about that search area in a little bit, richard. First, i want to play something the malaysian Prime Minister said when you asked him about the victims families, lets listen to this. Are you prepared to say that the plane and its passengers are lost . At some point in time i would be. But not right now, i think i need to take into account the feelings of the next of kin. And some of them have said publicly that theyre not willing to accept it until they find hard evidence. But richard, this seems to be vastly different language, almost a contradiction to what he said in a press conference almost a month ago. Lets listen to that. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you that according to this new data mh370 ended in the southern indian ocean. So richard, is this sending the victims kwult families mixed messages at this point . No, i dont believe it is in any shape or form for the simple reason he is not saying what Malaysia Airlines says. And what the airline would perhaps like more people to come to the reality of that the plane crashed into the water and that there are no survivors. He is dancing a much tighter line than that. Because out of respect for the families, he doesnt want to go to that final hurdle. He is not a fool. He knows exactly where this is going. But to say you know, the critics cant have it both ways. Do they want the Prime Minister to say and until we wait for hard evidence, or do they want him to say that the plane crashed and everybody is dead . That is the dilemma he faces and what he did with me in this interview was walk that line. Richard, it was a terrific interview. An important interview, thank you so much for bringing it to us. Really appreciate it. But as you say there are still critics out there. So lets get reaction now from sarah bajc, whose life partner was en route to beijing, on flight 370, helping the couple relocate to malaysia, thank you for joining us. I know this has been an incredibly difficult time as we see the weeks pass by, the junk that washes up to shore turns out to be nothing. Now a new interview with the malaysian Prime Minister getting sometimes conflict signal s how are you holding up tonight . Well, i spent most of the morning with my job, basically scraping the floor. Im just so astounded by this new shift that the Prime Minister is taking. You know, with all due respect to richard, because i genuinely appreciate the reporting he has done, i think he is being too generous with the Prime Minister here. This is an elected official who has a legal and moral accountability to protect the interests of the citizens of his country. And you know, the people on his team are only his tools to use, to lead. It is squarely on his shoulders and he has not held that team accountable for doing what theyre supposed to do. The president did try to address the concerns of the family his in his interview to richard, lets play a little bit of that for you sarah. I know this is a very, very excruciatingly painful time for them. I understand that. And weve done our best. Weve done many, many briefings. And we gave them as much information as we could. In terms of information that could be that were corroborated. But the most Important Information that they want and sadly the one that we cant provide is where is the plane. To be blunt, sarah, this doesnt seem satisfying to you. No, you know, he is reading from a script sheet that some qualified professional pr person has put together for him. Actions speak louder than words. The briefings both in malaysia and china have been a joke. You know, they have their officials at the beginning they actually had the officials at the meetings who would sleep in the meetings. They would laugh at the questions produced by the families. They would not answer the questions. It has been a recurring theme. And the patience level of the families has just gone. Not only with the fudging of the investigation but also with the really irresponsible and disrespectful treatment of the families. Sarah there was one point that he made or actually one thing he didnt say. He refused now to say that he believes the plane is lost, where just one month ago he seemed to indicate. You know, he said the words that the flight ended in the indian ocean. What do you make of what seems to be a bit of a contradiction here . I make that out to be political maneuvering. I think that maybe theyre starting to open their eyes a little bit to the fact that some mistake mistakes have been made. And it is best to reallocate blame to somebody else. And you do that by backing off of your statements. This is not an unprecedented situation. It is only an unprecedented outlook. There have been multiple issues where the transponders have been turned off, multiple issues where the plane was taken. They ignored that. There have been multiple instances of the families reca y rallying together. You teach economics, we learned the house you lead is in the running to be the allaround champions for academics and art. And i just want to say it is remarkable you have been able to continue leading these kids going through everything youre going through. I want to say to you, our fingers are crossed for you there. Congratulations. Thank you. 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See your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedesbenz financial services. At this moment, were waiting to hear that the bluefin21 has completed this phase of the search for flight 370. As you just heard from our Michael Holmes in perth, word is expected any minute and well bring that to you when it happens. There is a lot to talk about with our panel, back tonight, richard quest, lets also bring in cnn analyst, david souci, author of why planes crash. Also cnn analyst david gallo director of special projects at woods hole oceanographic institute. And former transportation executive mary schiavo, who currently investigates accidents for families. All right, richard, i want to talk about this interview he just did. Mary, let me start with you here. Because richard pressed the Prime Minister on the notion that flight 370 took this turn over the lefthand peninsula, they tracked it on military radar and they did not track it with jets. The Prime Minister told richard that for some reason, some how it was not hostile. Is that a satisfying explanation to you . No, its not. And you can tell that richard had searzeroed right in on the weakest point. Because how do you know it is not hostile . He said well, it was civilian aircraft. Well, then either you knew it was mh370 or you didnt, and if you didnt know what it was, obviously you have to go find out. I think that richard was reading the tea leaves pretty well, it may have been somebody junior or somebody left their station and the malaysian Prime Minister was just never going to say that. So i think that richard did a masterful job trying to pin him down. And richard, that means if you accept the explanation given, that means there was a mistake early on. And presumably the malaysian officials have known about this for sometime and you trying to keep it quiet . Yeah, it is confusing to me, except for the fact the malaysian radar, which if it is an older radar which i suspect it is, just for defense purposes. It doesnt have secondary pings. Their goal at this point would have to be it is a threat. And that is exactly why we found ourselves in the situation like we did with 9 11. Is just the unfathomable. And them thinking well, it is not defensive and has nothing to do with me. Just to be clear to say it, out loud the reason it is such a big deal because in this day and age you do not know if a plane is hostile. It is something we learned all too well on 9 11 in this coun y country. Mary, i want to ask you another question. You heard mary bajc saying families are not getting questions answered, simple things, facts that are out there that may have been in that report that has been turned over to International Authorities right now. These are fair questions, arent they . Very fair questions, and really straightforward questions and i really commend the family for this list of questions. And i know they have many more. Theyre very down to earth questions and simple questions the investigators should be asking themselves and answering. And i think it is a mistake, they have already prepared a preliminary report. What should have happened is they should have called the Families Together and reviewed it with them first. They are the ones most important here. And so now theyre going to get it with the rest of the world. And so they just keep compounding the trust level and it is unfortunate. Hopefully the questions they have will be in the preliminary reports. But i dont want to get anybodys hopes up. Usually the preliminary repors s are bare bones, the facts, and the investigation continues. Lets hope it is more than that, but sometimes it is all that is. And the Prime Minister announced that the report would be public a week from now. Why the oneweek wait, were not really sure about. Richard, i want to bring you in directly, because you heard sarah bajc, it is clear the Prime Minister is trying to your out to the family members of the people on board flight 370. Clearly theyre not satisfied. This is an interesting point. Because when you talk to the malaysians or the airline, theyre very clear that their duty is to the next of kin. So you constantly question about why is there just this discrepancy between the next of kins demands and views and what youre saying. Now, a lot of the questions that they have asked, they have received the information. Im not saying all. But ive had it on an extremely High Authority that a lot of the information has been provided. And then they ask for it again or in a slightly different form. And where i think the malaysian government or the airline is falling down is that they are not responding fast enough again to give the information. Because this next of kin are entitled to that information. They are the people who are affected most. But i dont think anybody should be in any doubt that at least from the very top of the Prime Minister, his view is that the change will take place. Information, may be the cargo manifest, maps, the preliminary report. Maybe, as he said to me, richard we have heard the messages people are sending. They have heard them but theyre still going to wait a week before they make this report public. And richard you make clear to me and many others, these reports usually are public. I asked him that, i said straight out, why are you doing it now, Prime Minister . He said he wants the International Committee to look at the report. I am not sure why. I said to him is it because there is something embarrassing in the report against malaysia . He said no, i just want the International Committee to look at it but it will be made public next week. Well, well see if in a week and not now. David gallo, i want to

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