On a specially airequipped ambulance. You can see the scene there as we push in on the photo. Now the plane landed in frederick, maryland north of washington, nurse pham was being treat understand a biocontainment ward, the hospitals director says she is doing quite well. She and amber vinson, who is in atlanta, were cared for. There were questions on how Thomas Eric Duncans case was handled and then questions came about how the dallas Presbyterian Hospital was treating him, and dealing with needs and keeping personnel safe. Now, in the middle of allegations from nurse and whistleblower briana aguirre. Listen. As a nurse did you receive any special training . Did you have mandatory classes . Was there discussion from higherups at the hospital about how to deal with an ebola patient before Thomas Eric Duncan arrived . No one ever spoke to me about ebola. There were no classes offered. There were no training offered. Was your neck exposed . Absolutely. Yes. There is what part of your neck . Well, the zipper ended about here on me. And the hood ended about here on me. And you know, this part here made a triangle that was open. It was completely open. And the very first time that they were instructing me how to put this on is exactly the point when i said why would my neck be exposed . Why do i have on two pairs of gloves . Tape, a plastic suit covering my whole body, two hoods . A total of three pairs of booties including the one on my tieback suit. An apron, and my entire body is covered in at least three layers of plastic and my neck is hanging out. Well, we have been seeking answers for days, this morning, the chief of the hospital appeared on abc news. People want to know how two nurses wearing protective gear got ebola. How did that happen . We know that nina was the first caregiver to accept mr. Duncan as he came up from the emergency department. It was at a time prior to mr. Duncans confirmed diagnosis of ebola. Ninas protective equipment was absolutely in compliance with the cdc recommendation at the time. And as soon as we had the confirmation of the ebola diagnosis all of the personal protective equipment in the micu converted to the hazmattype suit. We have no indication that nina or amber had any break in protocol. We were working with the best information we had. In retrospect would we have liked to hermetically seal them so this didnt happen . Absolutely. Well, no break in protocol. We invited Texas Health Resource chief operating officer and repeatedly offered officials from the hospital itself, none has accepted. Texas Health Resources first offered up the representative at the trade association, not a doctor or hospital with the parent company. Then they offered a doctor with the local medical society who again is not affiliated with the texas health Presbyterian Hospital in dallas. So no one is up for answering our questions. However, late today, they rallied and showed support for the hospital and the face of briana aguirres criticism. And with that we want to bring in our panel, dr. Seema yasmin, and professor of public health, and dr. William fisher, the director of research at the university of north Carolinas Division of pulmonary diseases. Earlier this year the doctor treated patients in guinea where he was working with Doctors Without Borders. Sanjay, it is incredibly interesting, the hospital showed no transparency whatsoever basically now says we were in compliance with the cdc standards at the time these nurses contracted ebola. When everybody knew how Doctors Without Borders have been dealing with ebola patients, all that was on line. It seems like theyre still refusing to accept any level of responsibility for this. Yeah, no, it is amazing they still lay a lot at the feet of the cdc. In fact i read their statement earlier. They say we wanted to ensure we were compliant with cdc regulations, in fact, the first two nurses complained their necks were exposed. They told them to cinch their gowns with tape. It is a little remarkable, they were a little bit contrite about mistakes. With regard to this issue, they said hey, look, we did what the cdc told us to do so this is really not our problem. Dr. Yasmin, does it make sense to you that the nurses could have been in complete compliance with the cdc regulations, and still contracted ebola . Anderson, it is not good enough to just tell Health Care Workers what to do. You have to give them training and make sure there are resources. Look at what happened with sars in toronto, many Health Care Workers said you told us to wear marks but we were not given any. There was a shortage, we were not fitted for them properly. You told us to wash our hands but actually the examination showed there were no sinks, and making sure they felt adequately prepared. You said someone could probably wear a trash bag and be safe from ebola, it is how you remove the trash bag, it is how the protective gear is taken off and what training you have in doing that. It doesnt seem like these folks at the hospital in dallas have the training. That is absolutely right. I think there has been so much focus on the personal protective doctor, im sorry, were having a problem with your mike. Okay. Sanjay the cdc is in the middle of updating the guidelines on personal and protective equipment. What do you expect it to be . I think it will be more comprehensive, more protective. The idea of protection where there was skin still showing around the neck, i think that is probably obvious to everybody who has been watching coverage in the last week. Your skin has to be covered if youre wanting to be protected from ebola, if youre taking care of a patient. They got to balance it. They dont want to make it too complicated. But the idea of addressing, if you make it too complicated you could address the possibility of error, covering the skin is basic. So that is really what is critical. The lessons and the just the protocol and teaching it proper properly, not just putting it on youtube saying you guys, we gave you the right equipment. Dr. Fisher . Well, sorry. Are you back there . I hear you now. Go ahead. First, if think this is i think it is important to say that this is everybodys problem. That it is not just the cdc or dallas. This is everybodys problem. We have to get this right. We have to protect our nurses and doctors and Health Care Workers on the front lines. And this is so much more than just a conversation about personal protective equipment. We have to focus on the process of removing the equipment because that is really the time where youre going to come in at the highest risk of coming into contact with bodily fluids. And doctor, you went over to west africa voluntarily with a remarkable group, Doctors Without Borders that i hugely admire. It is an incredible wonderful thing, i want to bring home it is so painful. You said with ebola you cant have a good death. Youre isolated from your family and friends and your home. Cared for by people whose primary focus is on stopping transmission from infected to susceptible and from patient to provider, rather than comfort and cure. These people often die without the comfort of a human hand, without seeing somebodys full face or even just knowing that a loved one is near. And i know your emails have been posted on line. We have a link to them on our website. But as a doctor, i mean, how do you deal with that . Was dealing with ebola unlike anything else in terms of the suffering of other people that you saw . It was devastating. I mean, i think it was emotionally devastating. It was physically devastating. You know, as a physician you want to you want to share the experience that somebody is going through when theyre sick and theyre suffering. And with ebola it was very tough to share that experience just because there was such a barrier. Not only were they isolated from their family and friends and loved ones but they were isolated from their health care providers. It is a necessary precaution but makes it that much more difficult. It is remarkable what folks on the front lines are doing with this. Sanjay, i want to ask you about the political growing situation, david gergen is going to join us always. Make sure you set your dvrs, well be right back. Estor you c. You want to cut through the noise of an overwhelming amount of analysis. [ all talking ] you want the insights that will help you decide which ideas to execute and which to leave behind. You want your trades executed in one second or less, guaranteed, and routed with institutionalquality technology. Look no further. 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And we may have changes to that list, which is why were talking today. Before being diagnosed, vinson flew round trip from dallas to cleveland. Frontier airlines is notifying up to 800 passengers, including those who flew with her and those who later traveled on the same planes. Im more worried than i am angry. You know, it is kind of one of those things where it happened. Now i just want to be positive and deal with it and move on. Another person being tracked, a Lab Supervisor from the hospital where ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan died remains quarantined on a cruise ship. Eric lufner is one of the more than 400 passengers on board. I think it is more holy cow, were on board with an ebola scare. The woman never had contact with duncan but may have had contact with his fluid samples. In a statement, carnival said at no point in time has the individual exhibited any symptoms or signs of infection update it has been 19 days since she was in the lab with the testing samples. The lab tech boarded the carnival magic on october 12th before being notified of increased monitoring requirements. If i were on this cruise ship i wouldnt be concerned at all. In a vast excess of caution she is isolated herself, which from on objective sciencebased Risk Assessment is quite unnecessary. The ship is currently returning to texas. Mexico refused to allow it to dock. And a request by the u. S. Government to evacuate the passenger through belize was rejected. Wow, rene marsh joining us from washington, what more did we learn about the passenger getting on a cruise ship. Wow, anderson, were really not sure what she was thinking and why she thought it was a good idea. But what we do know is she was selfmonitoring for symptoms and didnt at the time. She still doesnt have symptoms, as you know, Health Officials stress youre not contagious without the symptoms. But the time line, this lab worker got on the cruise ship on october 12th, that was before the requirements got more strict, that is perhaps part of the reason. And in terms of the amount of people, 800 people shortly there after, has the cdc talked to all of them . It seems like it is a lot of people to follow up with. Right, it is a lot of people. You have to have the right Contact Information and get the people on the phone. The cdc says it has contacted all the passengers on board vinsons flight from cleveland to dallas, the flight she was on the day before she was diagnosed. But they are still in the process of notifying the passengers on the first flight that she took. However, i have been in touch with Frontier Airlines and today they tell me they have completed their passenger notification. Anderson . All right, rene marsh, president obama today answered the question about who he would choose to head the ebola crisis. The new ebola point person, ron clain, what more do you know about him . Anderson, he is more of a spin doctor than medical doctor. He has no experience in dealing with ebola but plenty of beltway experience. He was chief of staff to joe biden and al gore. And you may remember clain was laid by kevin spacey. He was brought in for the government experience and knows how the bureaucracy works. Aides say it will come in handy. Do we know why the president felt the need to bring in one now . Youre right, anderson, earlier this week, the white house was brushing off these calls for an ebola czar. Less than 48 hours ago they were saying that counterterrorism adviser, lisa monaco, could do that job and be the ebola point person. Aides say he decided that was too much on her plate. Make no mistake, the political pressure was building. That combined with the mistakes made over at the cdc, i think all of that appears to have forced the president s hand. And in terms of this guys exact responsibilities, what are the white house officials saying about him . Theyre saying because there are so many different agencies and departments involved in this ebola effort, ron clains job is to make sure all the different Government Entities are working together and trains are running on time and that the right hand know what is the left hand is doing. That has not always been the case over here. But keep in mind he is not going to be the allpowerful czar, he still has to answer, and as the white house reiterated today the buck stops with him. All right, jim acosta, some say what the new coordinate will be up against is daunting, not surprising, i talked briefly about it, with the supervisor in part of the events regarding ebola. Back in august you raised the alarm back then even back then saying you never faced a crisis of this scale and this type. And the situation is only worse now, right . Yes, indeed. Actually, i mean, since months we are saying that this is something completely new for everyone in terms of scale, in terms of number of people infected. In terms of the thing that is in several countries at the same time. And also that in the countries, with the Health Care System all of those factors together make this crisis very special. One of the things he said on the ground that they need in west africa is coordination and leadership there. And the political challenges for the outbreak, the new socalled sa czar and the political analyst, david gergen, what do you think about this . He does not have a medical background but has a background in administration. Is that critical . I think it is, it would be ideal if he had a medical background but i dont think it is particular for this type of job. I have known ron clain, he is seen as, and i believe he is, he has a reputation in washington, not outside to be sure, but inside washington he is seen as strong, tough. He is able to knock Heads Together and handles crises well. Smooth under pressure. I think for what they need now is to ensure that the agencies of the federal government are working well here that the hospitals and cdc are working well together. I think he will be very, very good at that. What i think is left unsaid here is who is going to be communicating with the public, because that is also a very important function of leadership. And right now we have a cdc director who has been out in front a lot whose first class, but he stumbled. I dont see ron klain taking that job, he may control the message but i dont know who is going to become the outfront person like Rudy Giuliani after 9 11. That calms people down and gives them a sense that the government has control of things. That is what americans are looking for. Theyre not panicked about ebola, but definitely want to see the government is in control of things. They have not had that. Ron klain will have a sense of control. That is one of the criticisms of the cdc director. No matter what he is as a physician, often people say in his public statements he sounds more like a politician. He is not really sounding sometimes like a doctor so much but is sort of not answering questions directly and sort of giving political answers. Well, i think this has been one of the weakest parts of the administration how they have communicated with the public to keep people calm and make sure they understand. And people think theyre doing a good job right now. Most people think the government is screwing this up a little bit. And i think partly it is a communication issue. What we know from crisis after crisis is it is vital to have somebody or some bodies who can go out front. When we go to war now the pentagon has a host of generals who can go on television and talk about it. We have as i say, Rudy Giuliani, we havent had that here. Anderson, one of the things that are missing badly is a Surgeon General. You know, they put up a fine candidate who was shot down by republicans. They have never replaced it. That Surgeon General is often the person who comes to the people as the nations doctor saying here is what the threat is to your home, here is what it is not. And the question is, why this is not a threat to the great majority of americans. Sanjay, what do you make of this appointment . I mean, i agree with david. There are so many different aspects of what the job will be, certainly the scientific part of it. The homeland security, department of defense, there are so many different agencies and things that need to be coordinated. You know, i think you need to have somebody out there who will calm people down. I think dr. Frieden has done a reasonable job. There has been some confusion around some of the things he said. People start to question the faith then of the they start to question the system a little bit more. As david said, i dont think there is panic, but when you start to question just how well the system is working that obviously is not good. Also, dr. Antho