Who made the video being dragged to the van in the first place. And he believes he is friends with many gray had already sustained the spinal injuries that would already take his life. And well hear from the two advocates for the Police Officers who say otherwise. As we continue the protests for the hour and we have that and more starting with migez marquez. Video showing freddie gray minutes before his arrest the last time seen publicly and alive. It shows him not moving lying half in and half out of the police van. He wasnt responding. He was down and his feet was like this. And they picked him up and threw him up in the paddy wagon. This is a block from where freddie gray was arrested just around the corner down at the end of the block. This is where police pulled him out of the van. They say to shackle his feet. There was a woman watching everything right across the street. He looked unconscious to you . Yes. Yes, and i asked them could they get him a paramedic. They told me to mind my business. I said it is my business. Baltimore police say five of the six officers involved in grays arrest have provided statements to investigators and a lawyer for them said any injuries sustained by gray could not have come from the officers. Our position is something happened in that van. We just dont know one. Juan he only wants his first name grew up with freddie gray and said his older brother died in street violence here years ago and his family in disbelief. Just because he was running down the street and this police decided he wanted to stop him, now hes a bad person. So someone deserved to be tooken not deserved for running down the street. You dont know hes a bad person when he runs. You are all dragging him look that. Key owna who only wants to use her first name shot this video. She said freddy a joker and a ladys man. Only said one thing to her that day. When i ran up the street and i seen him and i asked him, are you okay because i heard him screaming and he didnt never say yes or no he just said i cant breathe. And this was he was just yelling. One thing consistent with every witness statement, this is the spot where freddie was arrested by police and dragged to this spot. He was on his back and handcuffed and his legs up behind his become and a knee of an officer firmly on his neck. Freddie grays cousin only hopes the violence stops. What do you hope the police will hear tonight . For peace and justice and stop this. Migez marquez joins us. Youve been there for several days. How are the size of the demonstrations compared to several days . Reporter today they are diffuse. Today there is a long standoff between many Police Officers and the demonstrators out here today. They broke up into a different group. Part of them went toward city hall and blocking traffic in different parts of the city and in coming days we expect thousands at city hall tomorrow and on saturday they are promising tens of thousands so it is only growing. And are details of mr. Grays funeral been released . Reporter dadly, his body it sound sadly, his body it sounds like has not been released to the family it. Sounds like the coroner said the body will be released and then the familys attorney will want an autopsy and once that is released then it will be days before he is laid to rest. Thank you very much on the streets of baltimore tonight. To underscore how unreseissly how where and when he sustained the injuries. The man who captured video of him has come forward. Hes asked us not to reveal his identity. We spoke a short time ago. Were you there when mr. Gray started running or what did you first notice . Well i was actually in bed asleep and one of my relatives came running in the house screaming my name theyre tasing him, theyre tasing him, theyre tasing one of your friends and i ran out the door to see what was going on. But the time i got to the actual site that it was happening, i didnt see the taser he was putting it back in the holster rather than tasing him still. And so then i just whipped out my phone and started recording, man. And i was actually behind at first. But as you can see on the video, i had to run around the van to try to get a better angle and so that is what i did. And when i got to the site man, it was just terrible. Were you looking through the camera or were you just sort of looking directly at it with your eyes and the camera was also on it . Well by the time i started recording them they had him in a crablike the heel of his feet were almost on his back and he was already cuffed at the time. So and then they had his the police had their knee in his neck and he was like crushing his neck really hard. You are also recording as they begin to drag him to the van. To you, did it look like he was able to walk . Well to me, it didnt look like he was able to use his legs at all. They were totally limp. He had no use. They say he was able to put pressure on one leg but im sure if you took away the help from the Officers Holding him up that he wouldnt be able to stand on his own. There is no way possible. As can you see in the video, they drap him to the paddy wagon because because he couldnt walk. The police said they didnt use the taser but do you see any indication they had use the taser . I heard the electricity the noise from the taser. I never seen him getting electrocuted or tazed. But you didnt see any wires connected to him when he was down because that is not visible . No. Was there any possibility in your mind he was choosing not to walk . Some people sometimes will just not let people drag them. Whatever they did it happened right there. It is not in my mind that he is in no way trying to resist or refuse to walk. Was he saying something . Was he yelling something . Well he was asking for because he has asthma. He was asking for an inhaler. But of course no one paid it any mind. So they of course true him in the paddy wagon and took off. So we took off running to try to see what was going on and by the time we get there, two more officers and the paddy wagon officer were surrounding him when the bike guys so we couldnt get a visual on freddie at the time. I talked to the mayor last night and she hasnt heard there was any evidence of probable cause to arrest him at all. The police said a Police Officer saw a clip that they believe was a knife on his front pocket, it turned out to be a springloaded knife or a switchblade. A. Is that something you know that he carried, and b. Do you believe that they actually saw that . First of all, whatever they say that he had, it wasnt worth his life. You didnt have to kill him, and ive never known freddie to carry any type of women. But he is a 110 soaking wet man and i dont believe for one second that he would be aggressive toward the police in any type of way. Because we know that Police Brutality is prevalent in our neighborhood and we know it goes on because we see it every day. So no i dont, i dont believe that those guys felt threatened in any type of way. And believe it was just overkill. They overdid it and they dont want to admit it. Listen i appreciate you talking about what you saw. Thank you very much and also for your video tape. No problem, man. Thank you. Now a different perspective. Joining us is gene ryan from the fraternal order of police and mike spence who represents the police. You do not believe the six officers committed a crime in the arrest of freddie gray. Can you say what led you to that conclusion . Basically based on my experience. Im a retired Police Officer. Ive been involved in investigations in the past. Ive been an attorney for the past 16 years. Representing Police Officers in the state of maryland. Ive had the opportunity to see what has been provided to the public and had the opportunity to speak to some of the officers involved and based on what ive seen and what i know of the investigation and the evidence that they currently have i just dont believe that there was any criminal acts committed by the officers involved. So how do you believe that mr. Gray received the injuries that he got . I cant explain that. Im hoping the investigation will explain that. I think the Video Evidence is clear when he got into the van, he was standing on his own on the bumper getting into the transport wagon. He was able to turn his head and yell back to the crowd as he entered the van. There didnt appear to be any distress or anything of that nature when he got in. So when you see the video, you believe hes standing on his own. Because i think a lot of people seeing that video see a guy being dragged and at one point he put some weight on his left foot left leg but still being held up and it is not exactly clear what happens on the bumper of the vehicle . Whether he is dragged due to his inability or refusal to walk, i believe it is his refusal to walk based on the fact when he stood up on the bumper he is clearly standing and turning back and yelling. Isnt though the most logical explanation that that injure occurred prior to him being placed in the van. You said that is the most logical but we dont know that. No evidence has come forward. Youve seen the video tape and ive seen the video tape and the Police Officers based on the video are not using Excessive Force. The only force you see is them limited to holding his legs down while waiting for the transport van. How does someone get three crushed vertebrae in the back of a van . I think that is a question for the investigation. The investigators will have to make that determination based on the medical evidence based on the environment inside of that transport van to make that determination. Do you know based on your conversations with the officers if mr. Gray was strapped in or seat belted before the van took off . The information that were getting throughout the investigation is that he was not seat belted in. And then the van were told drives for a bit and stopped and takes mr. Gray out and puts leg shackles on him. Why would they do that as far as you know . It is not unusual for large crowds to begin to gather and be threatening toward the arresting officers and it is not unusual to get someone into a wagon as quickly as they can, drive them two or three blocks and remove them from the wagon, depending on their degree of resistance or aggravation and what they are doing in the back of the van, place leg shackles on them and place them back in the van in order to get them away from the crowd that has gathered. That is not an unusual circumstance in baltimore and i would imagine it is not an unusual circumstance anywhere in the country. And i smoke, mike to an eyewitness that recorded video that a lot of people have now seen. He said he heard, didnt see, but heard mr. Gray get tazed. To your knowledge, did the officers use tasers on him . There was no taser used. I believe commissioner bats explained that in his press conference on monday that as mr. Gray was running, one of the officers did have a taser, yelled taser, taser, taser as they are required to do prior to deploying a taser however it was never deployed and i believe the commissioner clearly stated in his press conference there is to medical evidence that mr. Gray was ever tazed. Gene it has been ten days now and we still dont know how or when freddie gray was fatally injured. Is this process taking longer than normal in your opinion or is this normal . Now, what has to happen is were not supposed to give out information in reference to an active ongoing case because it could jeopardize the integrity of the case. That is nothing unusual. It does seem like and i might be wrong but it does seem like in other situations there has been more information released even while an investigation continues. Am i right . No. Were not supposed to divulge or release any information in regard to an active investigation. Like i said you dont want to jeopardize the integrity of the investigation by giving out the information too soon. Because a lot of times the information you get in the beginning isnt always 100 factual. Ive been involved with cases that the facts come out in the beginning and they can be totally opposite down the road once the all of the evidence is weighed and gathered. As you know mike i talk well i you may not know i talked to an attorney for the gray family last night who basically said look this is a case of somebody running while black, running while africanamerican. How do you respond to that . Mr. Murphy is a very good attorney. Hes a very good advocate for his client and he is doing what he believes he should be doing to ensure that this case continues to get the attention that it is getting. Mike davie, gene ryan thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Two very different pir spektdives of perspectives of what happened to freddie gray. 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Brian, what is the latest . Reporter well anderson this is a protest moving through the streets of baltimore for a couple of hours now. It has gotten rough in spots. There was a confrontation with police under an overpass about three blocks back where police were trying to keep a lane of a street open and the protesters didnt want to let them do that. And there was a confrontation throughout this march all evening long but no major incidents to report. At least as weve been moving with this crowd of a couple hundred people. So i would describe the crowd as very angry and very passionate but so far very peaceful anderson. They have basically taken control of some intersections here in baltimore. On occasion theyve come to a major intersection and laid down right in the middle of the street blocking traffic. And we asked them why they were doing that because they said if the police will barricade us at the precinct well disrupt traffic to make our statement. And so that is what they are trying to do. Right here right now, this is a major intersection in downtown baltimore and they just stopped traffic again. So we are stopping traffic and we are moving with the protesters anderson. Brian todd well check in with you. Joining us sunny hostin former forward prosecutor and friend of the mayor of baltimore. And also joining us retired new york detective larry houck and fred kobalin ski. And professor, i want to start with you, the lawyer for the police does not believe that mr. Grays legs were injured or his vertebrae crushed and unable to walk and though he was being dragged, he believed he was allowing himself to be dragged and he points to a moment where and i want to show this picture, mr. Gray appears to be standing or placed on the bumper of the police van before going into the police van. Now he does have somebody holding on to him. What do you make of that image. Does that tell you anything about the condition mr. Gray was in . If we can really assume that he was standing on his own, that would tell me that the spinal cord was not severely injured, that the severance was not very significant. Of course his head was not restrained. And so the second the secondary damage could have happened in the van where the vertebrae was torn. And so the way this works is the cervical vertebrae will affect the upper limbs, the elbow, the arm, the muscles on the top. But if you have Severe Damage to the court, it will effect your entire body. So i think it is not clear that he was standing on his own. It is hard to tell i agree, from the image. But i do think it makes no sense that three vertebrae would be fractured in the van. I think he was probably running away from the police and they tackled him which is to be expected an the police trying to arrest him and presumably they fell and maybe there was a hyperextension of the neck or a hypo extension or movement laterally. You dont see how this could happen in the back of the van. I dont see that. Because it needs to be a sharp blow. Could be blunt impact or a rotation or a hyperextension putting extraordinary force against the vertebrae. Bones dont break unless youve got osteoporosis. There has to be enough force to break those bones. Sonny, the eyewitness said he heard a taser, police say there was no taser, that an officer yelled taser