Break. First, gary tuchman on the boots in the cabin and the manhunt and what it means right now. Reporter the Small Community for owls head where the two escaped killers, and the search could finally end. The police on patrol within minutes of the dna discovered of richard matt and david sweat. I think we have a pretty good indication theyre here. Reporter but your gut is that theyre close to us . My gut is if theyre here well find them. Reporter the cabin where the dna was find was in the trail right up the woods. The state police were well armed. They have to be ready to use their weapons at any time. They cant get complacent. Late in the afternoon, a flurry of activity. Police started to race to one particular location in the town but it ended up being a false alarm. The two fugitives in the hunting cabin were taken by surprise and left in a hurry over the weekend. A source briefed tells cnn, in such a hurry they left personal items behind including a pair of boots which suggests one of the killers may be hurt. Without shoes or boots, walking up this thick brush with the vegetation and brush would be very difficult, obviously. But there are a lot of trails here. The issue though the trails are open. It is not likely the escapees would be in the trail out in the open. Reporter many permanent residents are leaving, vacationers not coming. But these two ladies are in their 80s and staying put. No place to go im not really frightened. If i was, i probably would leave but im not, so and tell me why. Half the night i have troopers all over the place and all day, too. Are you scared of these guys . These kids . Are you kidding me . After what i went through . No. And what did you go through . Well, ill tell you what. I went through north korea and south korea, and im still here. During the war 195052 . Yeah. So what is going on now is nothing to being a korean war veteran. And not a one of them over there scared me so so you can handle it . I can handle it. Now gary tuchman joins us what are officials saying about how confident they are . Reporter well the sheriff tells me anderson a Law Enforcement briefing was held. And the message is today is the day that we catch them. Well they have not been caught as of yet. But you have hundreds of police who are surrounding the hot spots, the perimeter, police remain confident that time is on their side and these guys would be nabbed they couldnt go very far from where they are found. And blades and hamburger meat. And how it got to richard matt the womans alleged lover. Late tonight, we have word that Joyce Mitchell has admitted to doctoring the meat and implicating a corrections officer in the arrest. He has something to say about that. And now joining us Jason Carroll with details of the arrest. How are you learning about the tools and the prison . Reporter well just about a week before the prisoners made their escape apparently Joyce Mitchell convinced a guard there at the prison jean palmer to help smuggle in this slab of meat. Inside this slab of meat the hacksaw blades you talked about. But i spoke to his attorney who said his client didnt know what was inside the meat. But he said in fact his client passed along the meat to richard matt and it didnt go through which was a violation of prison policy. And you also learned about other items that mitchell performed for sweat and matt . Reporter yes, and really its fascinating when you hear about it. Because apparently for several months Joyce Mitchell had been convincing guys there at the correctional facility they were good guys. She would bake goods for the guys there to curry favor. And went so far as to recommend to prison officials that david sweats cell be moved next to Richard Matts. So this sort of goes to the extent that she was involved with these two inmates. And there is this new video of matt months before he was locked up. What do we know about that video . Reporter right, that video from 1997 is really fascinating. It gives you the insight into the mindset of this man, even back in 1997 it shows richard matt playing with some sort of blow gun, and making a really sick aids joke at one point on the video. Take a quick listen and you be the judge. This is my friend ricky matt right now. He is a freaking crazy lunatic maniac. This is the south american blow gun. And well demonstrate. Well demonstrate how powerful this gun is today. Were going to dip these in aids blood and well put a patent on them and sell them as deadly weapons. Show them the dart. Im about to fire this gun into ricky matts arm. And well show you the true meaning of pain. Ricky, with a smile. He loaded it. He is ready. Were about to shoot the dart into rickys arm. Went in there started to come out there. And anderson as you point out just nine months when that video was taken matt tortured murdered and then dismembered his own boss. Jason carroll, appreciate it. Tonight, the focus seems to intensify on palmer who has neither been arrested. He has not been arrested or charged with anything. His attorney said his client is cooperating fully with the investigation. He joins us again tonight. Appreciate you joining us. Lets just be clear. The frozen burger meat containing hacksaw blades where did your client mr. Palmer take possession of that and what did he do with it . Well, arentnderson, mr. Palmer receives the request from mrs. Mitchell to take burger meat to mr. Matt i apologize, and its not uncommon for inmates to cook inside of their cells. And ms. Mitchell before handing off the meat to mr. Sorry that is okay. Before he handed off the meat he asked if there was anything wrong with it. And she said no. And were learning now that there were tools hidden inside of that package. Mr. Palmer did not know what was inside the package. He had no knowledge beforehand that there were any type of tools inside. The only mistake he made was trusting Joyce Mitchell. So do you know why he trusted Joyce Mitchell on this . Did he know her that well . Did he think richard matt was a good guy . Did he not have any suspicions . Because he could have, i assumed, have run it through a metal detector . He could have run it through a metal detector. He feels extremely guilty about that. He is regretful. He apologizes for that. But ms. Mitchell was just as manipulative as these two inmates were. He trusted her, he didnt have a close relationship with her, but she was able to do this with many other individuals who worked inside the prison, im told. You mean she gave things this other individuals to sneak into the prison . I wouldnt go that far, but she did in fact manipulate the guards to do other things for inmates that she was close to. Did mr. Palmer explain at all why he didnt have any suspicions about this . I mean is this a common practice that you know people would kind of do favor for inmates . Well when the District Attorney released the information today he stated himself it was common practice for the inmates to be able to cook inside of their cells. So from what ive been told from the District Attorney themselves it is common practice pretty much. But if theyre able to cook inside the cell there must be some accepted procedure for them to purchase meat or whatever theyre going to cook is there . There is they can get it through the commissary but there have been many instances where meat was given to the prisoners after inmates finished their meals. They passed it off to other prisoners, guards when they finished their meals. You have to remember these are very dangerous people who house in the facility and they have to gain trust from them. A lot of them especially mr. Sweat and mr. Matt would give information to the guards to prevent stabbings or problems happening inside the prison. Do you know why your client did not run it through the metal detector . Is that process onerous . In order to not run it through the metal detector do you have to kind of sneak it in . You dont have to sneak it in. The big story here is the lack of funding inside of the prison. Their budget has been cut. And there are short cuts taken out of necessary. And no it was not overly burdensome to pass it through the metal detector but mr. Palmer made a simple mistake and he apologizes for that. Youre talking about budget cuts but the budget cuts are not so severe that the metal detector has been turned off or removed. There was a metal detector and it worked, so that your client decided for whatever reason just not to run it through the metal detector . Sure and what i think he is guilty of is trusting ms. Mitchell. How was it that your client was conned by Joyce Mitchell . I mean clearly your client from what you said in the past has used one or both of these men for information in the past. Did he just think okay well did he just not really think about it too much or was there some special way that she conned him . Well as you have heard, she has conned many individuals inside of the prison. She would curry favors among the prisoners. She would bring them baked goods. She was just very good at what she did. And my client fell for it. If he is guilty of anything anderson is that he is a very trusting individual and is looking forward to telling his side of the story. Well i appreciate you being on with us tonight, we look forward to hearing his story. 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Food as it should be. I am rich. On the grounds of my estate, i hob nob with the glitterati and play equestrian sports. Out on the veranda, we enjoy finger sandwiches and other assorted dainties. I wear nothing less than the finest designer footwear. Wherever i go, the paparazzi capture my every move. Yes, i am rich. Thats why i drink the champagne of beers. Breaking news tonight, indications that david sweat and richard matt may have left their hideout in a hurry, without some of the survival needs to survive in the rough woods. Two survivors, two search zones, yet somehow they remain at large. Joining us tonight to face the challenges tom the search for these men, what does it look like right now . Well anderson you know since they disappeared from this prison in upstate new york there have been hundreds of reports, over hundreds of miles where they may be. Nonetheless, searchers have now zeroed in on this location about 22 23 miles away from the prison which they believe these guys could have reached by following trails through the woods, Something Like that. And theyre trying to set up a perimeter around this. But let me tell you, this is much harder than you think. Consider this if these guys were spotted and started running and in lets say just two hours they covered five miles. When you do the math because if you do a circle it would be about 31 miles around. Now, you have to get assets all the way around there. So even though they have up to a thousand different officers helping in the search and they have all sorts of different vehicles used from humvees, all the assets have to be spread out over the 31mile circle. That is a very difficult job to do in part because of the geography here. This is an area that is full of woods and cliffs and bogs and ravines and creeks and all sorts of things that make it very difficult to see somebody. Yes there are some roads and cuts for power lines and railroads, things like that. But the minute it gets dark or bad weather moves in and you simply get into an area of vegetation very hard to see somebody close by. We have been told they have thermal imaging and devices, how much easier does that make it . It certainly helps, no question, look, if you bring a helicopter in here and it has some sort of thermal imaging, yes, it can fly over the woods and sense heat images down below. Here is the problem, if it is high enough to search the area it will also pick up other items such as deer and bear so there is also a lot of background noise. The solution of course is to fly closer to the ground with your helicopter and then you get a tighter pattern and can see things better. But think about that big 31mile circle were talking about. And that is the closest circle. If youre close to the ground you can miss an awful lot. Yes, theyre setting up a net, anderson but by definition, a net means a lot of holes. Tom foreman, appreciate that thank you. Lets bring in the professionals now. John cuff formerly in charge of the marshals eastern division. And the founder and owner of the mountain scout survival school. John its interesting to look at that idea of a perimeter, how do you actually set up a perimeter. I mean how far apart are individuals so that Somebody Just cant slip through . Well anderson in an ideal situation you like to be as close to one another as you can. Obviously, in this type of terrain and wooded area its something that the tactical experts note on that area. Time is on the side of Law Enforcement here. So the wider you cast that net, okay they contain them in there, its just going to take longer due to the challenges and the mountainous area to track these guys now. Chris, the fact that these guys may have left the cabin in a hurry, that works in Law Enforcements favor, particularly with the idea that one of them may not have boots on. Yes, theyre improviseing now, so now you can marshal all of your resources into that area. Where before they were spreading themselves out. So now they can concentrate on them and herd them in a certain direction, hopefully. I assume the fact if one of them is not wearing shoes, will it help the dogs track them . I dont know about that if there were other scents in there that can put them off. But they are at a distinct disadvantage this is an endurance test from here on out. Shane, in terms of the difficulty how difficult will it be for one of them to move . Assuming he doesnt have shoes, he could be wearing somebody elses shoes at this point. In terms of the terrain, yes, quite difficult. However, there are all sorts of hiking trails and water ways. You make your way down to the streams. You can travel quite a distance. If anybody knows anything about the woods all you have to do is bend down to the height of a deer and you would realize how much trails do exist. But if you dont have experience these guys have been locked up for a long time. Theyre not a survivalist that has training without that training the woods can be an incredibly difficult place. Absolutely the mountains, its rough, you really have to have a good set of skills. These guys will be moving in and out of urban environments. They are absolutely tied to whatever they can find. At this point, its anything human made. Its the cabin, anything they can get their hands on in the woods. And once you have gone through an area or cleared an area from Law Enforcements standpoint that i mean you cant keep assets behind like you would perhaps in a war zone to secure an area. You have to i mean you only have so many assets. So it is very possible for somebody to go back into an area that already has been cleared, isnt it . Absolutely, that is one of the challenges you have to deal with here, you have a porous area, if you miss somebody, so every rock and feature so the hunt for eric rudolph, i mean that was somebody who had real experience out in the woods, no . Extensive experience he had planned his getaway for a long time. He had preprepared several sites, knowing that he would probably have to go up there and live for a long time. So he had put equipment out in the woods . Exactly he had prepositioned food and had big flat rocks out there where he hid things. And he still went out, there were sightings of him in that way. There were occasional sightings, we were pretty sure he was in that area. He would break into places and leave money and pay for things that he took. That was a signature of his. Would he move around a lot or stay within locations . He stayed within about a 20mile area. He stayed off the trails and wouldnt hit the trails. He knew that is where searchers would look for him. He moved all the time at night. Are there signs that Law Enforcement look for in a case like this . I mean obviously, they look for trails and things like that. But are there things they can keep an eye out on besides just tracks . Well there is not a whole lot of trackers in Law Enforcement or the military. Is that right . That is true. The level of tracking which is by the native tracking which is the level we teach, theyre not using that skill set. Theyre using dogs. There is basically nothing in nature that can move without disturbing Something Else. So when you have 800 guys out there creating quite a disturbance in the landscape. I dont expect them to see tracks in the landscape, i expect trackers to see something