Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20180215 : vimarsan

Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20180215

Survivors. High school kids, teachers, parents, brothers and sisters. People whose lives were forever changed this afternoon. Right now we are going to show you a short video taken inside the classroom during the shooting. Difficult to watch and difficult to look at. Holy [ gunfire ] oh my god. [ gun fire ] oh my god. [ gunfire ] [ screaming ] randi talk to me about the latest of what we know what happened . I can tell you for sure, it was an afternoon filled with terror for so many. Would be considered one of the safest in the state of florida. A sheriff late this evening told us the shooting began outside the building and entered inside the High School Building. The shooter talactually followe the victims inside. Investigators have the task of going inside the High School Building and identifying the victims. Around 2 30 p. M. , the Broward County sheriff respond to reports of a shooting at Marjory Stoneman high school. Kids were freaking out. A lot of them were on their phones trying to snap chat everything. Reporter s. W. A. T. Teams go from room to room securing areas before allowing students and teachers to evacuate. This is insane. It is unnecessary. It is, there is no words to describe right now. I was shaking. I was panicking. All out panic throughout the school. Reporter students run to safety after they were escorted outside of the building. Some with hands still in the air others clutching each other for support. First responders tend to the wounded and parents wait to see their parents outside of the lock down zone. Reporter do you know is your daughter safe . Thank god. She kept texting me. And she said that she was hiding. That she was fine for me to call 911 because there was somebody hurt on the third floor in the 1,200 building. She was, she was very nervous. She said she could hear the person who was shot crying out for help. And was a nervous wreck. Reporter the fbi and atf joined local Law Enforcement onsite. Police have confirmed they know the identity of the suspect. Just before 4 00 p. M. The Broward County Sheriff Office said they found the shooter and arrested him without incident. I understand you have been speaking to families there as well. Reporter as you know all too well, days like these are heart breaking. When i arrived on the scene parents were still outside waiting outside. A woman told me she was still waiting for word of her daughter, at least to see her daughter. She had gotten a text message earlier and locked herself in a closet. Texting i love you mom. If i dont make it, i love you mom. Many feelings from families and parents on this heart breaking day. Reported new information. The shooter, not only is he in custody, but actually talking to investigators. And one of the things they have learned based on sources is the shooter arrived on school with a gas mask and smoke grenades. And the student pulled the fire alarm supposedly to have the students come out and be a big mass casualty. I spoke to a teacher at the high school. How are you holding up right now . Im not really sure. It doesnt seem real. I am not how to process it. The emotions from today have been so extreme from being totally terrified and trying to keep the students calm and trying to make they reunite with their families and trying to get myself home and making it home and kind of losing it. Im not really sure where you go from here and how you deal with it. If you can, if it is not too painful, can you explain what you saw and heard . You were teaching this afternoon, and the fire alarm went off around 2 30, i understand. Right. It was fourth period, that is my newspaper class. So i was working with the kids, making the School Newspaper and the fire alarm went off and we had one this morning. But there have been times in the past where the fire alarm wasnt working properly, so we had to evacuate a couple of times. We followed the protocol. When it goes off, we have to evacuate and i am sorry, you had a fire alarm drill this morning. This morning. At 9 00, the fire alarm went off this morning and we had our drill and it is unusual for a second one to go off a second time. And we now understand it was the shooter who pulled the fire alarm. Right. That is what we suspected as the situation unfolded. So we make it out, you know, of my room, out in the hallway and starting to go down the stairs and the Security Guard who is posted in our area, said no, it is a code red. Go back. Teachers who were there called out to the kids and we started going back to the classroom and taking in kids and yelling to kids in the hallway to go inside im sorry, code red does that mean an active shooter. An active shooter, yeah. You have drilled for that . Yes. We had a training recently. We could not have been more prepared for this situation which is what make it is frustrating. Because we had trained for this. We trained the kids for this. We did everything we were supposed to do. We were prepared for this situation. And still to have so many casualties, at least for me, it is very emotional. I feel today like our government, our country has failed us and failed our kids and didnt keep us safe. You heard code red so you got your students back into your classroom . Yeah. I turned around. Because we were very closed to my room. Opened my door, pulled in my kids who some of them ended up in another classroom. I pulled in a couple of kids who werent mine and their classroom was across the school. I pulled those kids in and stood in the hallway for 60 to 90 seconds i would say calling to kids in a hallway to get into a classroom. Didnt matter who their teacher was, just to get inside. And after about 60, or 90 seconds, i closed my door and we huddled in the corner for a few minutes and i made the decision to move everyone to the closet. Were you hearing anything at this point . I assume the alarm was still going off. Did you hear any shots . Did you hear anybody yelling instructions anywhere . No. I work on the opposite side of the school where the shooting occurred. So we were on the opposite side but within two to three minutes we heard helicopters and sirens and didnt hear any shooting. How many kids can you fit in a closet . Today i fit 19 kids in a closet plus myself. So we managed to all get in there and we huddled in there for about 30 minutes. It was hot. And does everybody try to stay quiet . Yeah. Everybody, you know, is on their phone and trying to get in touch with their family and we are staying quiet and i had girls that were crying and trying to keep them calm and telling them that we are going to be okay. And trying to hold yourself together. My family is calling me to see if i am okay. So you just kind of do the best you can and muddle through. But try to do the best you can for the kids that you are supposed to keep safe. And i understand it was the s. W. A. T. Team that came to get you out. The s. W. A. T. Team did come and get us out. We heard them in the room and called out to see if anyone was in the room because we were hiding in the closet. We slowly opened the closet door and told them we were there and they had us come out single file. And at that point, all of the texts and messages and the news reports were that they were still looking for the shooter so they were looking through the building and clearing it. Are all the kids that you know accounted for . I mean, all the students that i teach are accounted for. I have heard rumors about other students that are not my students but related to students that i have and i dont know if those reports are true or not. And it is hard for me to say. Until the names come out, i wont know if any of them are my current students or former students. I have heard some of my colleagues may have been killed and i wont know until the names come out. I am so glad you are safe and able to protect your students. The kids are lucky to have them as your teacher. Thank you for talking to us. Thank you. All the latest now. Jim, you used to lead an fbi s. W. A. T. Team. Just in terms of what we know so far, what stands out to you. Takes me back to april 1999. One of the biggest thing that Law Enforcement does after an incident like this is they conduct an exhaustive after action report. Columbine changed everything in terms of police response. It changed everything. Prior to columbine nobody knew what the term active shooter meant. Tactical teams had to be a homogeneous. Nowadays. What we do is go to the sound of the guns. You get, one, two, three, four, people together. We are trained. You dont wait for a s. W. A. T. Team. It is the initial officers who are on the scene. If it is a bike cop, whoever it is, you find the shooter. The number one gun is to interdict the shooter or shooters. In the old days, you took land. You slowly and methodically cleared the next room. In this instance we learned again, post columbine get to the shooter as quickly as possible. My understanding the fbi has done exhaustive reviews of every active shooter situation since columbine and have learned that most fatalities take place in the first six minutes. If you are waiting to set up a perimeter and waiting to go from room to room, the deaths are more. We go back to 1966. And in that instance it was the same thing. Most of the shootings happen right away. Went up and confirmed the gunman and that was the birth of special weapons and tactical teams. I have been in school and watched the active shooter drills. And a lot of it is the teachers bring students in their classrooms and huddle in closets and doors. This shooter pulling the fire alarm, clearly that was meant to not only get people out and kill as many people as possible, it is that way to overcome the active shooter. If they hear an active fire alarm, they are going to be tempted to go out. James is right. One of the first questions is not only what happened in this particular instance but how do you put it in context and find lessons learned. Can you determine who is going to do an act like this. If you cant do that, how can you secure the prerimeters. What happens when someone breaches the perimeter. What is your response. And then you have someone that says i am going to break down your response and pull the fire alarm and force people to get out. If a young people decides that he wants to shoot a lot of people and acquire a weapon that was legally acquired, how are you going to prevent him from accessing hundreds of thousands of students. I am not sure the answer is we will find any answer. Actually, the fbi and Broward County are asking people who have video and you heard one of the teachers talking about snap chat. And we saw one video, they are saying, they tweeted out this thing saying the fbi has set up a website where you can upload images and video of the stoneman shooting. Visit fbi. Gov parkland shooting to submit any information you have on the shooting that occurred at the high school. I dont think we have seen that before. Sending videos to police so they can try to piece it together. That is not the only reason. The first question we are almost at the end of resolving this, is when you see that video, do you see anything that suggests that he came in with another accomplice. Lets ensure there wasnt anything going on coordination with another student. Then you have the evidence. Do you have evidence as you suggest, iphone video that will help. Lessons learned do you have videos that suggests to us that could be handled better. Crowd sourcing crime is gatiett bigger and bigger. Not only in determining who did it but did something happen that we can prevent in the future. It is huge. We talk about terrorist as being a learning enemy. The idea that a kid, an 18yearold, or 19yearold could look at other School Shootings, maybe he had gone through active Shooter Training as a student in that school and then try to figure out a way how to overcome and get more students out of the classroom when they are supposed to be huddled inside. You are absolutely right and all you need is an imagination. And if you take an 18yearold kid that is in custody now, he has probably been through that training probably since Elementary School and in fact he wasnt even born when columbine happened. So lets take into account a number of things. We can talk about what happens when the alarm goes off and police respond. And they do a terrific job. But unfortunately when that alarm goes off, a body count is being added up. And in this particular case, 17 young lives were lost today. Police got there rapidly. Everybody did the best they could do under the circumstances. We could go back and analyze what occurred. But the important piece in all of this anderson, and i think your guest mentioned it, it is the whole prevention piece. We got to go back and look at how do we protect our Second Amendment right but at the same time as you heard the teacher saying that you were interviewing moments ago, that she dont feel the government protected her. So we have to do things in this country that is legislatively is going to give us an opportunity to prevent these types of events. Because once someone penetrates into that building and it doesnt take much, quite frankly, no matter how much you secure it. It is a variety of different ways. We have to get into the prevention piece of this and that mean he is our congress, our white house, our nation, our state is going to to do a better job to protect our nation and our people. Julia, if you have a large school with multiple entrances and multiple exits, and most of these fatalities take place in the first couple of minutes, if you have an ar15 or anything that can fire off a lot of rounds no matter how quickly police get there or whatever police Security Guards are already on scene, if you have a large facility and you have a large capacity magazine, there is not much you can do to stop that. Thats exactly right. And so we can talk about training and fortifying schools, thats great. But we begin, we have to also talk of course about the weapons. S and to think about our responses in light of the weapons out there. The columbine lesson was run, hide, and only engage so much. We are going to have to start thinking about whether engagement actually will protect more lives in the long run. I dont know the answer to that. But you know, these are not hand guns anymore. These are not things that have six or seven bullets and then they go out. That is the first part is to rethink our planning and the second is i refuse to believe, and you can call me delusional, or maybe i am just a mother, i refuse to believe that there arent moments in Nikolas Cruzs last couple of months something bad isnt going to happen. Who is he talking to . His social media posts . All of that seem so obvious to us now, but obvious to other people before and thats where we have to begin to empower people to Say Something is terribly wrong and we cant just, anyway, take responsibility for the people around us. We are getting more and more details and will be. We are going to bring them to you throughout the evening. Lets get the latest in the investigation. Bring us up to speed. A lot of new details coming in the last hour. We are told that the suspect is talking with investigators. It appears that he is providing information and we are getting some sense of what they learned. And this here is what some of what they are now learning. That the shooter here, pulled the fire alarm to draw people out. He wanted to get a higher death toll. This is based on conversations perhaps that they had with him indicating there has been some level of planning. We are told he escaped from the school by blending in with some of the students as they were leaving or perhaps running out of the building. He was briefly able to escape. This is what these Law Enforcement officials are telling us. And we are also learning and as you know, from the sheriff when he held his press conference, they are really learning a lot from his social media postings. The sheriff calling it disturbing. He would not specify why it was disturbing but raised some issues on social media. And then the gun. This ar15 style rifle. The sheriff talked about it and multiple magazines and what we have learned is that the atf is tracing that weapon in hopes of trying to find out did he buy this weapon his own. Did someone buy it for him. Learn the history of this weapon trying to answer questions here about where he got this gun. I think i heard your report earlier, that he had arrived and when he pulled the thing, he had a gas mask. That is coming from the florida senator. He was saying he was wearing a gas mask and had smoke bombs as well. We have not been able to confirm that with law firm. We have no reason to believe he doesnt know what he is talking about. But again, goes to the level of planning. There are indications from Law Enforcements that this was wellplanned. How wellknown was this former student who is 19years old known to other students. So Law Enforcement has talked to both students who knew him well and some students who said they never seen him. He was expelled from the school a year ago. Student who is talked to reporters outside of the school they said they knew him. Hearing that he liked guns. One particular student was telling local reporter that he liked guns. And that even more important is they were not surprised to learn who was behind this. They suspected it was him. Not clear why they thought that. But one of the situations that based on what the student is saying and what Law Enforcement is learning, there were signs here and just why no one came forward to report any of it. The fbi is working with local authorities on the investigation. Yeah, they are. Right now, there is nothing to indicate that this shooter is going to face federal charges. This will probably be handled on the local level. But the fbi, they come in to assist and help process the crime scene. Some of the video they are asking for process some of the video, process the crime scene. Help question witnesses. And the other key thing here is the families. They come in and try to help some of the families who we cant forget about and what they are going through. And the fbi put out a tip line asking people if they have any information to call them because, you know, they want to know what else was missed here. What they will do as part of that is build out a time line. Go back in time, perhaps a year or maybe longer. To see what was missed. Appreciate that. We will check in with you again. 17 people were killed. Most found inside the school and three people were found inside. Every

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