Congressman to his son, the phone calls from the son made to i believe it was the future fatherinlaw and the other calls first lady there. How much time would he be facing if convicted of all the charges . Yeah, i mean, he is facing 150 years, and thats just addressing the congressman. Were not talking, again, about the 25yearold son and his future fatherinlaw. Those phone calls, anderson, there were seven in total that went back and forth between the congressman and his son while the congressman was at that white house congressional picnic. And theyre very quick. They finally connected on that seventh phone call. This is shortly after only minutes that the u. S. Attorneys office says that he received that email saying that the drug trial had failed. And then according to the attorneys office, his son, cameron, 25 years old, again, went to his fiancees familys house to tell them in person that the drug trial had failed, that they needed to do something about it, allegedly, and then
another phone call was made, and that according to the u. S. Attorneys office was from his future motherinlaw who called her stockbroker to sell those stocks. And then over the next four day, before the public announcement that this drug trial had failed, u. S. Attorneys office said that Cameron Collins sold off more than 1. 4 million shares of this stock, saving, really, himself hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now, of course, the congressman could not sell his shares because of several reasons. He was under investigation himself and also his shares were with an australian stock, so there were technicalities there. However, you know, he lost a lot of money in this, but it seems like he was trying to save his family money instead. And again, allegedly using inside information that was not publicly known at that time, giving an advantage to the son and to the sons family. Brynn, i appreciate it. Now the late well, well have more on. This well talk to preet bharara
into the heart of the Midterm Election season. I want to read you what he said. He said when i first got involved, i would have told you not testifying would be the right legal strategy, but then hurt politically. Now im thinking the continuance of the investigation would actually help because people are getting tired of it and the president needs something to energize his voters because the democrats look like theyre energized. Nothing would energize republicans more than lets save the president. A pretty remarkable statement from somebody who of course is on the president s legal team, has a very distinct political background, though. And i just want the say that this is in keeping with a lot of political operatives on the republican side have said, that theyre looking for something to energize a not very energized republican base. On the other hand, Gloria Borger who reported this story with me notes that not all lawyers on his team feel that way there is a split, and many, many of them, most of them say no, no, no, we got to do this fast, and that
Anderson Cooper takes viewers beyond the headlines with indepth reporting and investigations. That giuliani and other members of the legal team, they concede that theyre not in control here at all. Were in the dark about whats going on, really going on behind the scenes in the mueller investigation. They are too, even with this round of negotiations. And what i mean by that is they have no choice but to go back and forth on these proposals and counter proposals, and they have been for a couple of months. Because their client, the president insists over the advice of people around him, both politically and personally that this is a terrible idea. He says no, no, no, i want to testify. So they have no choice. But on the other side of the negotiating table, they dont really know how far Robert Mueller is willing to go, whether he just wants to say forget it, write a report, or whether he is actually preparing a subpoena if he doesnt get what he wants in these negotiations. And they can see that the ball is very much in muellers court. Jay sekulow was on one of the sunday shows, and laying out the timeline for what if if there was a subpoena. Right. And how long it would drag out in the court. Months and months and months. Which is why the most people in the president s legal team and Gloria Borger has heard this from her sources especially are banking on the fact that mueller wont want to subpoena. But its an educated guess. Its a gamble. Its a gamble in the truest sense of the word. They just dont really know. The other question, and we dont know the answer to this, and it sounds like they dont either is how much does muller actually need the president to sit down and answer questions . And the answer to that is basically how much does mueller know and where is he really going with this . And we just dont know the answer. Do you do you have a sense of when i know you dont of when muellers team may respond . Thats actually an interesting question because the last time the trump team sent a counteroffer to mueller, he sat on it for week, anderson. And they were getting worried. They were perplexed inside the trump team about why it took so
muellers team decides to believe comeys side and that becomes a perjury trap because theyre believing comeys version of fax as opposed to the president s. I think what people are talking when theyre talking about Sharp Practice by a prosecutor, which i dont think these folks would engage in is youre engaging in a game of gotcha. Youre not asking basic questions and trying to get to the truth, but youre trying to find some sliver of inconsistency between something that someone said and someone else said, sort of like what youre describing. And then bring the whole weight of the government down on you for making a false statement in that context. I dont think the mueller team operates that way. I think for them to take some action based on a false statement in connection with with an interview, it would have to be really important, it would have to be material, and it would have to be clear. Giuliani says this needs to be wrapped up by september 1. He initially said wrapped up in a week. Right. They talked about after thanksgiving a long time ago. Does that timeline make any sense to you . Do you see mueller with that
timeline, there is no way mueller would be able to try to go to subpoena the president. I dont think its going to end, at least overall its knotts going to end. Well still have one Manafort Trial going on as we speak. We have another Manafort Trial that is already scheduled to go after labor day in the district attorney. And i have a sense, you know, not based on any inside knowledge, but the sense that there are other shoes to drop, that there are going to be other people charged. As long as the mueller team is continuing to look at things and continuing to investigate things that are appropriate within their ambit, there is no reason to have an artificial deadline with respect to obstruction against the president by labor day. Look, they may well be done or close to being done which is why theyre negotiating a potential conversation with the president , and then all power to them. I dont think there is an artificial i dont think theyre going to do something on the eve of the election. So if they dont do something by the end of august as it relates to the president , thing its reasonable to think youre not going to see anything until november, december of next year. How vital to you think it for mueller to actually have the president sit down . I dont know that its that vital. One of the things that prosecutors like to do, contrary to popular belief, to get it right and to get the truth, and to give the person youre investigating, the potential subject, the opportunity to explain away things that the prosecutors might think are nefarious. Why did you fire james comey . Why did you make this statement on a particular date . Why did your lawyers say you hadnt dictated the statement . Sometimes you learn things that are help to feel the defense or the target or the subject when you engage in that kind of inquiry. On the other hand, it is also helpful sometimes to get peoples story because theyll say things that might incriminate them. And overall its generally helpful to check every box and to dot, you know, every i. And so you want to do the interview. At the end of the day, if they have Chris Collins just got indicted. He was spoken to by the fbi, and that ended up becoming one of the charges in the indictment. Lets talk about the collins
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to use these affairs to show, obviously, to poke holes at his credibility. They say that he led this secret life, at One Point Stealing Money from Paul Manafort to try and fuel the secret life, these affairs and the cheating on his wife. How did the fbi lay out the financial details of manaforts money trail . Right. That was later this afternoon. Today when the fbi economics, their accountant and analysts took the stand, kind of dry painstaking detail using charts at one point to show how Paul Manafort moved money, how he had overseas accounts, how the fbi was able to track some of these accounts through wire transactions. At one point, that even subpoenaed information from a bank in the uk. They also showed how they were able to track some of the purchases that weve all been talking about. It was the ostrich jacket and also the Snakeskin Jacket that Paul Manafort purchased. The fbi here today showing
really in painstaking detail, going over every inch of Paul Manaforts finances. Obviously an important part of this case for the prosecution, anderson. All right. Shimon prokupecz, thank you very much. Perspective now from someone who it is fair to mention may also be on Robert Muellers radar. Right now joining us primarily as a member of the Consulting Firm black, manafort and stone. Its great to have you on again. So roger, as Paul Manaforts trial unfolds, im just wondering how do you think its looking for him at this point . Do you think he is in real trouble here . First of all, with all due respect, im not sure i was ever his righthand man. We were certainly partners, and he is a boyhood friend. Whats amazing to me is that he got to trial at all given the enormous pressure put on him by the Special Counsel to plead guilty. And im still perplexed as to why he has not raised the question of whether he was under
illegal fisa surveillance in this trial and in the upcoming trial. Sharyl attkisson, the new york times, many others have reported that he was, but the government does not agree to that in discovery, and manaforts team have not raised it. Beyond that, im not following every every word of the trial, but the drama is obvious, and i think the perhaps the mistake that people are looking at is that they are reviewing rick gates and Paul Manafort monolithically and i think that is an error in trying figure out what has happened here. How do you mean monolithical monolithically. Obviously rick gates was a close associate of him and seemed to be deeply involved in setting up these overseas Bank Accounts and seems to have wide knowledge. There is no question there is no question look, i dont know mr. Gates very well, but i know great deal about him. There is no question that he was handling the logistics of the business he was doing with Paul Manafort. But because of manaforts economic model, i think that gates was squeezed financially, and i think he had clients of his own and Business Activities of his own. I assume that he has told the government about this, but i dont know what he has disclosed to them. When he said that he had embezzled 400,000, i had heard that numbers were much larger than that. So i think he has to be viewed not as a joined to manafort at the hip, but with his own agenda and his own issues. He certainly has his own agenda, but one cant deny his inner knowledge of manaforts affairs, correct . I believe that to