Ill read you what the court filing says. It says after signing the plea agreement manafort lied to the federal bureau of investigation and the special counsels office in a variety of subject matters which constitute breaches of the agreement. What the powell iss office is saying is that they want the judge to move towards sentencing. They say theyll provide more information about the nature of the lies that paufrlt made as part of these lies that he has been telling since he made his plea in september. Did prosecutors indicate what they say manafort lied about . They did not indicate exactly what he lied about. But our team has seen him show up and spend hours nine time since his september plea agreement. Weve seen his lawyers show up for short meetings which perhaps is an indication of the disagreement going on behind the scenes. And we dont know what this means for the special counsel. We know this was an important person for the special counsel to have cooperating with this investigation. We dont know whether this hurts their investigation or what information they may have shared with Paul Manafort and his lawyers and if any of that information could be making its way to other people, including, perhaps, the president s legal team. All of these are Big Questions that are now really in front of us as a result of this extraordinary filing from the special counsels office tonight. Evan perez, thanks very much. Joining me now former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin, david gergen, john dean who served as Richard Nixons white House Counsel, also former federal prosecutor ann millgram. John how to phrase this question but how frigging stupid is this guy . Very frigging stupid. To get a Cooperation Agreement and the chance for a lower sentence was very important to him. Especially since hes 70 years old. To throw that away, to throw that benefit away by continuing to lie to the special counsels office is incredibly reckless and selfdefeating. Now, in the filing today, manaforts lawyers said they disagree. He said he wasnt lying. He wasnt lying. But the fact that muellers office blew this agreement up in this way suggests they must have a pretty good reason for thinking hes lying to them. John dean, if conventional wisdom is true and the collusion portion of the investigation is nearing an end, why would manafort mess up a federal plea deal . You obviously have some experience with this. Does it make sense to you . It makes no sense. In fact, as alluded earlier, its stupid. Hes not going to get this opportunity again, it already appears he gave a lot of hours, nine meetings where hes obviously provided something they can cooperate, he also has sacrificed not only lessening his sentence potential but they wont give back the 15 million of forfeited property that he already had been forced to give up. So this is just dumb is what it is. David, whats interesting about the lies, Paul Manaforts lies in this case or the lies President Trump often will tell is that they are all dependent for success on everybody else being stupid and theyre all dependent on the idea that everybody else who hears them is stupid. Clearly, the mueller team is not stupid nor are the American People when they hear repeated lies from the president that are easily checked. I dont understand the kind of lowlevel of lying that just bad lying. Time and time again its just incredible to me. Well, it is incredible but i would argue theres perhaps a different way to look at this. And that is Paul Manafort is not stupid. He may be reckless, but hes not stupid and i would assume that if hes lying, hes doing it because there is something very big hes trying to hide from the prosecutors. Very big. We dont know what that is, at least we dont on the outside here. But i would also assume that while his chances of going to jail for a much longer time have definitely gone up is also possible that his chances of getting a pardon have gone up if hes doing something to serve the interest of those around the president and we dont know yet what all this is. I do think jeffrey and john could help me with this because they know more about this, but i think theres a chance that in the next brief that mueller files he may have to show more of his hand about why he thinks manafort has been lying so recklessly. And if thats the case, we may have a better understanding of what this is about in the next 24 to 48 hours. Thats a fascinating idea. Do you think its likely that manafort to protect himself or others from something that hadnt been fleshed out entirely or is something hes hoping to get protect the president from that hes hoping to get a pardon about . Its hard to tell but its possible and i think its worth noting that it is rare for cooperators to go south but it does happen and there are people who come in and say ill tell you the whole truth and cooperate and then they cant bring themselves to do it. And its clear that manafort spent a lot of time with the government. The government checks everything cooperators say so theyre going to be factchecking him left and right on everything and its clear to me for the government to blow up this agreement that they found something, that they concretely believe shows hes lying and not willing to come off of it so it could be david is credibility that it has to do with the president or other crimes committed by himself or others, its impossible to say. But whats interesting is the defense is saying no, hes telling you the truth when its clear muellers team is confident he is lying. One view of this is that this is good news for donald trump because once he pleaded guilty and cooperated, the goal is to get him to tell the truth and become a witness against other people. Now hes useless as a witness because hes lied so much. An alternative view is that the Mueller Office has so much on everyone that they can tell whether someone is lying but the fact is when you give someone a Cooperation Agreement, youre hoping they cooperate and they become a useful witness. Manafort is now a useless witness. Thats not good for mueller. John . With the plea deal being breached is manafort obligated to testify against anyone else . Is any cooperation moot . He has breached the agreement according to the prosecutors so its no longer a viable agreement and i suspect this is a setback for the prosecutors who are moving along and theres obviously some bit of evidence or multiple amounts of evidence they knew he was not coming forth on that they have and still need so this is not helpful to the furthering of this investigation, either. John dean. What do you think about the theory that david gergen advanced that its hoping to get a pardon down the road if its protecting the president . Thats very potential. I think he waited for that up until the time he flipped and he obviously has ability to communicate probably through his wife and others to send signals that he was going to go to the line and would only go so far. The prosecutors would probably monitor him closely so we dont know how this will go. David mentioned that well learn more. We are. In the sentencing document that will be filed very shortly. So would it be appropriate for manaforts attorneys or people connected to manafort to have connections with people on the Trump Legal Team or people connected to the president to try to pass along information or pass along some sort of message . I mean, its possible. Whats more likely is that people from the trump team may have tried to communicate with Paul Manaforts lawyers or send messages to manafort. This is hard to know at this point. I take view that manafort had to plead guilty. Hed gone through a long what was unquestionably a have you been r ve a very expensive ca. This was a tougher case and more problematic case for the president and administration. He was going to plead guilty, what he was looking for was a break in sentencing. I tend to agree now that now the only way to get the break is a pardon or commutation of his sentence. What are the options for muellers team on this . It looks like they are going to throw the book at mueller. Mooufrl is going to throw the book at manafort. They are going to say this guy lied to us, he committed crimes, we are giving him no break, he should be sentenced to the full extent of his multiple convictions and guilty pleas. That is their play with mueller with manafort. I think they dont have a lot of options in terms of using manafort against other people. Because hes unreliable . Because hes unreliable. They could in a further proceeding down the line even if manafort didnt want to cooperate they could give him immunity since he will have been sentenced to force him to testify but since they have said he is not reliable its hard to imagine so maybe im off base by saying hes frigging stupid. Is it smart of him . No, hell get a long sentence. Hes playing for a pardon . Well, obviously a pardon is the best result he could get. He was going to get a lon sentence anyway, wasnt sfle. No, the whole point of cooperating is to get a lower sentence. Now hes even more in need of a pardon because hes obviously not going to get a low sentence. David gergen, what would you see as the president s if youre the president , is tonight a good night . David gergen . Yes, i think that if youre the president tonight is a good night in the sense that jeffrey and jonathan are talking about and that is that Manafort Mueller was likely counting on manafort as being the star witness and now he doesnt have th that. Its possible will stretch out the time. Mueller may have to double check. He may have to get to a whole new path for bringing whatever case hes going to bring forward and this may extend the time. Now we have whitaker at the justice department. Who the hell knows what will happen in the next few days of weeks . Its one more reason why the Mueller Investigation ought to be protected by congress because this has become so unzblern this is like a three dimensional future game of chess. Is this 134g you think Paul Manafort would have planned out long ago . It doesnt seem the way it fell that she planned it out. He has ten more counts that there was a hung jury on that could be brought by the prosecutor, mueller, against him so they could take him back into the courtroom again and give him some more trial time which would cost him money and make us even more painful for it so they have some options there. And why do you think manaforts attorneys would be arguing no, no, no, he hasnt gone back on his word at all . Well, they want the benefit of getting the Cooperation Agreement which is a its a manafort has been in by public reporting nine or ten times, hes provided a lot of information. They want him to get benefit when it comes to sentencing and i think they rightly know the judge wont give them the benefit and the government gets to decide whether or not manafort has provided substantial assistance and the government saying hes a liar is compelling and will carry the day with the judge but his lawyers want to push back and say look, he has been cooperating. The only other thing id say about manafort as we think about what muellers team is doing and thinking is that mooufuellers has known what hes been thinking and doing. So i would argue theyve had a deep skepticism of him and were checking him carefully because of that skepticism. Though i agree its a loss to not have someone like manafort testify if youre looking at the president and wrongdoing by the president , manafort would be someone close enough to have had that information. Jeff, though, just because of a witness lies about one thing does that mean they lie about everything . No. And there is often back and forth with prosecutors and cooperating witnesses. Its often the case that cooperateors donwhen they conti and prosecutors have to decide whether it merits tearing up the agreeme agreement. If i can offer one way to disagree with myself that this is good news for donald trump, i think its good news that manafort is not becoming a star witne witness. If i were trump i would be unnerved that muellers office knows enough about the facts of this case to say youre lying. How do they know that . Who told them . What documents do they have . What tapes do they have. Thats a really good point. And, david, its important to point out we dont know what the subject is that he is allegedly lying about. Its very important that we be cautious about this. It could be purely his own misdeeds and his own financial misdeeds, fraud or Money Laundering or the like which is what he was charged with or he could be about some aspect of the mueller case that we dont know about. Or hes trying to protect someone at the center of this government and that may not be the president. It could be one of his it could be a child, it could be a number of things. I think we ought to be cautious but this is a bombshell. It certainly is remarkable. David gergen, counselors dean, millgram and toobin, thank you very much. Breaking news from the border. After a week end that saw migrants rush the border and Border Patrol fire tear gas into into mexico, including into the areas where women and children were, well have a live report from there. And what we and the voters of mississippi are learning about cindy hydesmith as the runoff approaches. Allegations of racially tinged remarks and what could be other complications in what is already a racially charged campaign. They work togetherf doing important stuff. The hitch . Like you, your cells get hungry. Feed them. With centrum micronutrients. Restoring your awesome, daily. Centrum. Feed your cells. 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What have you learned about what went on . A lot of folks are trying to make sense of what happened. We are at a makeshift shelter, a sort of athletic facility turned shelter where many are in tents waiting to see where they make their next move. There are about 5,000 people, the majority men and when we arrived this morning we saw buses still arriving, Central American migrants making their way here to tijuana, despite the clash at the border over the weeke weekend. Trying to escape the tear gas, protect her children, she forgot her phone was still recording. Capturing her struggle to breathe and the screams from her daughters fear, a day later jessica, who asked us not to use her last name, knows these images will haunt her forever. She said she was holding her child pretty much like her child had fainted from the gas. She said those tears are for her child. Her sevenyearold daughter struggles to talk about what happened at the border. Hundreds of migrants, men, women, children, marched in unity from this makeshift shelter to the border sunday. Many told us they were caught off guard when tear gas was released by customs and Border Protection on the u. S. Side of the fence. According ing ting to cbp, the were the first to throw things, hitting four agents in the u. S. With rocks and thats why they responded with tear gas, something the migrants deny. I cannot agree on the use of for force. Not even that type of force, tear gas or rubber bullets, i cannot agree on those actions. Reporter mexico says it wont tolerate disorderly conduct. Mexican immigration officials took 100 people into custody and plans to deport them. The clash is making some reconsider plans. She says shes thinking about staying in mexico but she cant go back to honduras because she says if she goes back to honduras, theyll kill her. Thats the threat she faces. Just outside the Sports Center turned shelter we watched as 20 hondurans boarded this bus for voluntary deportation but this is a small portion of the group. City Officials Say more than 5,000 are being housed at this shelter and after the clash at the border, the federal police in mexico have made their presence known as u. S. Military helicopters constantly fly over what has become the latest home of the caravan. Whats next in the legal process, how long before people have an opportunity to apply for asylum if they have that opportunity . Of those who plan to seek asyl asylum, youre looking at weeks, anders anderson. Before this caravan arrived there were 1600 migrants on this sort of unofficial waiting list just to get into the port of san ysidro. Officials say the capacity is 300 so take a capacity of 300, 1600 already waiting for their chance to go to the port an