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Long haulers who appear to get over the disease but then spend months still not feeling well. Plus an examination of the friendship that biden and harris have. Why begin with the fight over the funding for the Postal Office and the ramifications it may have. The president s story keeps shifting on the story of funding the post office. What is the latest . It has changed pretty much every day this week. What is important to look at, the president made clear, he understands what the problem is. The u. S. Postal service is in desperate need of money. Its more important and pressing now given the Critical Role that they are likely to play in the election if they are overwhelmingly having people vote by mail. And the president stated it plainly had this week, he said that he wanted to block funding, he realized that democrats wanted to expand mailin voting and we know his feelings on mailin voting. He was making it clear it was in political terms viewing it, to say he wouldnt veto coronavirus legislation if it included money for the post office. But he was complaining about a 3. 5 billion amount the democrats wanted in order to make sure there are election resources ahead of a whats expected to be largely mailin voting this fall. Today he made it sound like he wants to use it as a bargaining chip. He said he would give democrats the 25 billion theyre asking for for the Postal Service if he gets what he wants in this legislation. Now, he said that, we should remind people these talks have all but collapsed on capitol hill. There are no meetings happening right now, there are no discussions going on. The senate is not in session, none of that is moving anywhere at this moment. If its just a negotiating tactic, theres also now, what we learned about a meeting or a talk with the postmaster general. Yes. So this is interesting, because as you noted, this is the president s ally, a big gop donor whos been put in charge as the post mafrter general. This is the first person to have this position in two decades that didnt come up through the ranks. This is the first person who had no experience before. May 6th is when he was appointed to this job. The president said over the weekend he had not spoken with lewis de joy, they had a meeting in the white house just the week before that. We asked the white house whats up with this discrepancy, the president saying they didnt meet. They said it was a congratulatory meeting. He got the job in may, so that doesnt make sense either. We should note it did come two days before lewis de joy had this meeting with nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer on capitol hill, which was expects to be a tense meeting and did end up being a pretty tense sitdown between the two parties. Congratulatory meeting before he gets the job. The president went into the city today to visit his brother. Its his younger brother robert, hes 72 years old, hes been sick for a few months, and we learned today hes in the hospital. The president described it basically as him being in this gravely ill condition. Tonight he was saying things about paying his respects and going to see his younger brother. You dont often hear about robert trump but we did recently because he was one of the family members who led that unsuccessful bid to block mary trumps tellall book that came out. Sold a ton of copies, angered the president. Donald trump went to manhattan today visited him in the hospital. We dont know much more about his condition than that. Certainly wish him well. These last developments involving President Trump and the postmaster general have been building for weeks and months. After months of railing against mailin ballots that he claims without evidence will hurt republicans. Mailin voting, its going to be the greatest fraud in the history of elections. Reporter President Trump admitting he wants to hold up funding for the Postal Service to gain political add van damage in november. They want 25 billion for the post office, but if they dont get those two items that meanings you cant have universal mailin voting because theyre not equipped to have it. Reporter in may, trump installed the postmaster general, and in the last two weeks an avalanche of developments have raised questions over the agency and the risk that mail delays could have an effect on the election. Earlier this month, trump met with de joy in an oval office that the white house said was about congratulating him about his appointment in may. Tuesday he met with nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer where democrats demanded an end to the cut backs. We are not going to stop fighting until state election systems and the post office, which is part of getting the mail there on time get the resources that they need. Just days after that, de joy announced a major restructuring of top usps jobs that some democrats called a friday night massacre. Trump later lying about speaking with de joy, despite meeting with him. I didnt speak to the postmaster general of the post office, i know this, hes a very good businessman. Over at usps, the warnings of trouble ahead are piling up. When you start making cuts, youre delaying the process, youre not speeding up the process. Im a 31year postal employee, ive never seen these type of cuts being put in place in order to make the service better. The Postal Services top lawyer sending nearly all states, including battleground states like pennsylvania, North Carolina and minnesota warnings that ballots may not be delivered in time to meet election deadlines. Sending Election Officials scrambling to determine if and how they can change their deadlines. Cnn is now learning that usps is removing hundreds of mail sorting machines across the country responsible for processing millions of pieces of mail ahead of an election that could see a historic mailin voter turnout. All this prompting a rebuke from democrats and republicans alike. Now is not the time to be cutting back services. I do disagree with the president very strongly on that issue. But Postal Service is absolutely essential. What weve never seen before is a president say im going to try to actively try to kneecap the Postal Service to encourage voting. And ill be explicit about the reason i do it. The restructuring resulted in unintended consequences. In other words, delayed mail all over the country. And with all this happening, more states are turning primarily to mailin voting for the general election. The latest, new jersey. And in pennsylvania, state Officials Say theyre willing to accept ballots that have been postmarked by election day, a change in their position prompted by concerns over mail delivery delays. Abby phillip joins us now. The president continues to say there are cases of vote by mail fraud. What proof is there . The Republican Party which has brought this suit in pennsylvania to try to curtail some of the changes that are being made, they have until midnight to come up with some proof that there is fraud in mailin ballots and there is fraud in these drop boxes that are used to collect mailin ballots without going through the Postal Service. This is a key case, one of the cases thats going on in battleground states across the country. And the Republican Party here is trying to push back on the notion that mailin voting is safe and secure. They are pointing to the use of ballot drop boxes saying that those drop boxes are ripe for fraud. The democrats said you cant just make those claims without providing evidence. The Federal District court judge agreed and has given the Republican Party until today to come up with that explanation. So we will find out soon if theyre able to come up with evidence of fraud. We should note that all over the country, especially those states where theyve been voting by mail for years, in has been no evidence of widespread fraud with any of those aspects of mailin voting, either the ballots or the drop boxes used to collect them. The president lied about millions of illegal undocumented workers casting ballots in california, for Hillary Clinton and thats why he didnt win the popular vote. Begin, he just this is just made up. Abby phillip, thank you very much. I want to bring in kim wyman from Washington State. Thank you for being with us. This letter to the Postal Service, warns the ballots will not get back to the Elections Office in time. How concerning is it . It was very concerning. We convened a meeting with our representatives here in washington and our county Election Officials. And we had a long talk about specifics and we walked through our mail times in washington, i think is going to be just fine with our existing mail setup. Do you what is the setup in washington . I mean, is it absentee ballots. Universal mailin ballots, what is the system. In Washington State, weve been mailing ballots in all elections since 2011. We mail out our ballots 18 days before election day. We do it under nonprofit bulk rate, which guaranteed a three to ten day window of time for those ballots to be transported. We are comfortable that our voters, even if its at the upper end of that Service Delivery time will receive them in plenty of time to vote. You send a ballot to every household . Yes. How often does russia and iran and north korea send fake ballots in to washington to upset the elections in washington . Or how wide spread is your voter fraud in washington . So far we havent had foreign interference in our vote by mail ballots. In 2018, we compared our voter history to other states. We did find 142 cases of double voting or people voting on behalf of deceased family members, were getting ready to prosecute them. That was out of 3. 2 million ballots cast. There were 142 cases where somebody double voted or tried to vote for a dead relative . Thats correct. Washington governor jay inzly said the president is try to sabotage mailin voting by degrading the u. S. Mail from doing its job. How do you see when you hear the president s rhetoric. How do you interpret that . Well, i always get worried when people try to politicize administrative processes like running elections, like delivering mail. We have to be careful because the average voter starts to lose confidence in our election process, and thats the bedrock of our democracy, it concerns me, and we just really try to combat that with the facts. We spend a lot of time sharing with our voters what are the facts and give them the tools they need to be able to vote. Its a pleasure to talk to you. Its a pleasure to talk to someone whos interested in the facts. Its getting rarer and rarer. A few weeks ago, you invited the president and attorney general to washington to see how its done in your state. Why do you think it has worked there for so long . I think it was the ramp up we had. We spent decades building to this moment. We started in the early 90s allowing any voter to be a permanent absentee voter. We had the closest governors race in the countrys history, we realized you couldnt do a polling place and vote by mail election well. By 2011 all of our counties were moving have moved to that, and were doing vote by mail elections. I should know this, i apologize that i dont. In terms of turnout, responses, how does washington compare to other states that dont have this widespread mailin voting . We are usually in the top six to ten states for turnout across the country in any given election. You look at our president ial primary and the primary we just had a week ago, we had some of the highest turnout in the country. It definitely raises all votes, it doesnt Favor One Party or the other. It makes it easier for voters to participate, and it results in high turnout. You sound like a very rational state. I may move to washington. Outstanding, we would welcome you. I should be so lucky to move to washington. Thank you for all you do. Thank you. Still ahead, the latest on the coronavirus. Health officials preparing for human challenge trials. Theyre creating a coronavirus strarn. Well talk about the ethics of that and explain how it may work or not. Also, covid long haulers, people who live with the ravages of the disease even after it appears theyve recovered. The wife of a man who spent months in the hospital is going to join us when we continue. 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Thats one view of it. But basically its treating people Like Laboratory animals. To do it properly, youd have to do what you do for the monkey trials, one group gets infectsed with the live virus that can cause disease and the other without a vaccine. And the other group is vaccinated and gets infected with the same virus. Thats how you do it in lab animals. Are we really ready to infect people with live virus that can kill them, that can cause as youre about to hear long term damage in young people . First of all, its unnecessary. You only do anything like that if you dont have a raging infection. You just mentioned how many people are infected every day, theres about 55,000 americans and 275,000 people worldwide infectsed yesterday. Isnt that enough to do a vaccine trial . If that werent enough, its not informative because youll only be using healthy young people, not the people that need the vaccine, which is the older people, youre not going to know how it works. It takes a long time to get the answer anyway. Finally, is it really ethical to give people a deadly disease when you dont know if the vaccine works . Or to give people who arent vaccinated a deadly disease that might kill them and theres no treatment . There are people who have done these kinds of things, but with weakened strains or if you have a treatment that can cure you if the vaccine doesnt work. None of those things exist here. Again, i would repeat, i believe its unnecessary, uninformative and unethical. We should not do it. Fauci is saying plan d, saying it would be absolutely farout contingency were his words. Theres data for other covid 19 vaccines has shown in nonhuman primate trials, some of the animals did get some levels of coronavirus infection. How risky would a human trial actually become . I mean, to your point given all we dont know about it yet . Well, its very risky. First of all, there is none of the vaccines that i have seen that gave complete protection. All of the animals were infected at least transiently. Most of them had raging infections in their nasal pharanyx. Vaccines dont always protect from infection. The flu virus doesnt protect you from infection, nor does the polio virus. It protects you from having the virus going to your brain. The flu vaccine protects you from getting all the terrible symptoms associated with the flu. But in this case, we have no animal model to know how sick youll get. We dont have animals that get very sick. How optimistic are you about whats been coming out of this operation warp speed . You know, countries all over the world are moving at warp speed. And i would say it looks promising. These vaccines are doing what people wanted them to do, theyre giving people good immune reactions, producing neutralizing antibodies. The big question isnt about do these vaccines create antibodies. The real question is about the