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CNNW At This Hour With Berman And Michaela July 24, 2014

Well, we just actually came back from the hospital, but it was a very chaotic scene there. Dozens of people running around trying to get the injured into the hospital. We saw people on beds, on stretchers, laid out basically in any available space. All the rooms were full. We are talking to paramedics there saying that a dozen people have been killed. Now with our own eyes when we went to the morgue we saw eight people dead, a lot of families there searching for their loved ones, trying to find out their situation, but when we were Walking Around looking at a lot of people were women and children who were also injured in this attack. Now were not quite sure at this moment who is responsible. Now the Israeli Military is saying that it was a hamasfired rocket that landed at this school. Now hamas is denying that saying that this was a strike from the israelis. Now we dont know quite yet who is responsible, but the International Red cross has said that this incident, whatever it was, there was innocent people that were just too close to the action and they have said that this just isnt right, that this sort of thing shouldnt happen. Ive been to these schools before. Ive seen them. These are areas where people try to go to find shelter from the violence here in the gaza strip. Theres over 140,000 people all over gaza taking shelter in these sort of schools. These are areas where they think they believe that they will be safe. Now, the u. N. Has come out and said that twice today, that they tried to coordinate with the Israeli Military to move people from the school in question to get them out of there, but they said both times their requests were denied. Now israel has accused hamas of using International Recognized symbols, whether its medics, ambulan ambulances, as well as journalists, accusing hamas of using them as shields to move about and saying that this sort of thing, blaming them, blaming hamas for when these sorts of incidents happen. Well, the sorry, the u. N. Has found weapons at u. N. Run schools twice, two incidents where the u. N. Has found rockets stored at u. N. Schools. Right now, though, when it comeses to this school, we are unsure who is responsible for this strike. And, of course, this just points to the urgency and the need for some sort of ceasefire. Again, we dont know where this attack came from. We know there are dead among those casualties. Ian lee, thanks to you. Thanks for getting the latest information from the hospital for us. Israel has responded to that a. We want to get the very latest on that side of the story. Our wolf blitzer joins us now from jerusalem. What are you hearing from the Israeli Military, wolf . Well, were about to speak to the spokesman for the Israeli Military. If ian lee is still there, a quick question, has the United Nations, the people there on the scene, have they directly accused israel of launching this rocket or this shell or this artillery fire, whatever it was . Do they blame israel or are they leaving it open for now . What is the u. N. Position . Well, wolf, the u. N. Position right now is open. They have yet to place blame on this really both sides that are blaming the other. Hamas is blaming the israelis, israelis blaming hamas and the u. N. Right now is trying to get an idea of exactly what happened. When we visited that school, it was empty. There werent anyone there. They were all rushed to the area hospitals, but right now its a very fluid situation as they try to figure out who is responsible for this. All right. Ian lee, stand by. Were going to get back to you, michaela, we have the spokesman for the idf, Israel Defense fund, Lieutenant Colonel peter learner is with us. You put out a statement, you raised the possibility, you dont know for sure, but you raised the possibility it was a hamas rocket that actually blew up this United Nations school. What evidence do you have for that . We have our sensors which have indications that at least on two or three different occasions in the course of the afternoon, rockets launched from within gaza landed within beit hanoun. Im not saying thats the situation, we are looking into it. The idf does not target u. N. Facilities. We knew there were rockets in u. N. Schools. We are having an ongoing working relationship with the United Nations operating within the context of the conflict and beyond. We do not target u. N. We actually appeal to them three days ago together with the red cross to evacuates this area because we understand that there is extensive Hamas Terrorists infrastructure in this area and they will abuse it and they will put the people at risk like they have been doing over the last five or six days in the Ground Forces activities. They go to no end in order to carry out their attacks. They will utilize ambulances, they will utilize journalists, they will utilize schools, they will utilize everything that is at their hand in order to carry out attacks and to strike the idf in its ground operation to solve this problem of tunnels, rockets. I would say, i will comment on the pictures that are coming out of beit hanoun, they are horrific this is not us. We do not intentionally target civilians. There is, of course, in the heat of battle in that area where there is extensive fighting going on, there is an option that there could be errant fire. We do not target the u. N. You heard ian lee, our reporter, excellent reporter on the scene, spoke with the u. N. And they said they twice tried to give the idf the coordinates of the school. They did not get any response from you. What do you say . We know that they are utilizing the schools to as shelters for people. We have that ongoing relationship with the u. N. And it is an open say hotline during the course of the conflict. We actually appealed to them three days ago not to hold people in this school, not to hold people in this area, that they should move them to other areas in central gaza, but they had refrained to do so. I just before i came on line, just before i came in to here, i got an update that 15 minutes before this unfortunate incident, they informed us they were bringing busses in order to evacuate the people. This is tragic, but we do not target civilians. They say they were trying to alert you, give you coordinates and you didnt respond. You said you youre saying you did respond, is that what youre saying . Im saying weve been trying for three days to urge them to evacuate the people from this location. For three days, we had met a brick wall of saying that we cant do so. We cant evacuate them. We cant force them out of this area, despite our urging, but today, earlier, just before this unfortunate incident, we received confirmation they are sending busses to evacuate the people. Youre investigating, the u. N. Will investigate, hamas will investigate who is responsible for blowing up this u. N. School. When do you think the israeli report will be complete . We will take some time. We have to see whats going on. The battles are ongoing. Lieutenant colonel peter learner, there you have it. The israeli response. Hamas denies it was one of its rockets that landed in the beit hanoun area, blowing up the school, killing so many people and injuring scores of others. Whoever was responsible, its an awful, awful incident and it underscores as you correctly point out the need for a ceasefire as quickly as possible. Wolf, before i lose you, let me ask you, is there any sense the how tenant colonel there speaking of the fact they urged these people to evacuate to central gaza, do you get a sense there are sufficient shelters in that area for innocent people to go . I get a sense that gaza is so crowded, about 1. 8 Million People in a small area, the strip is only 26 miles long, im not sure there are any really secure areas in gaza right now. People can leave the north go to the central part of gaza, go to the southern part of gaza but the whole place is pretty insecure right now. Very, very dangerous. And it underscores as i say, they got to stop this. They got to stop this as quickly as possible and lets hope john kerry and other International Diplomats can come up with a ceasefire. They are, by the way, i must say, im hearing some encouraging words, making a little progress, perhaps on this twophased ceasefire start off with an immediate cessation and then immediately deal with some of the humanitarian issue, some of the demands that hamas is making, certainly the demands the israelis making. Theyre making some progress. Lets hope they can resolve this very quickly so there are no more of these horrible incidents weve seen at this u. N. School at beit hanoun in gaza. Eight dead we know of. Youre right, wolf, shortterm fix versus longterm solutions both need to be addressed immediately. We appreciate it. Great reporting on the ground. Thats for that great conversation and your work there. Ahead at this shower, the grief and devastation surrounding the attack on flight 17. Seen and felt firsthand by my colleague chris cuomo, hes going to join me in studio. Well discuss that. Another air tragedy, another plane, vanishing from radar. What happened . 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The operation to transfer them should be finished by tomorrow. Barring any delays. International monitors we know are back on scene, what is being called the biggest crime scene in the world right now. Russia and ukraine still blaming each other for firing the missile that brought down the jet and killed the 29 8 souls on board. Today the European Union will talk tougher sanctions against russia. For the first time the eu might decide to punish russian companies. So those are the cold hard facts. We want to turn to the personal stories, the loss of 298 lives. Their families changed forever. The toll its taking on their loved ones. Chris cuomo just got back from amsterdam and first of all, i think we all report appreciated the reporting you did because not only were you letting us know about the scene there at ukraine, the crash site, well talk about that in a second, but when you got to amsterdam, you really made it vital for us to understand the impact this was having on so many of the families there. Cnn made a decision to follow the bodies and to take up the angle of coverage of the victims very early on in the story. I think our bosses who have been through a lot of these, were worried that the victims would get caught up in the politics. We could almost see that coming considering how rife with conflict the whole situation has been. I might not have guessed that so early on but thats the benefit of being here, right, they covered so many different situations around the world that literally you build up an instinct. We were paying attention to that right away and obviously the move would be to go from ukraine to holland, the netherlands, amsterdam, for the bodies and i was very surprised and impressed, i think the whole team was, with how that country came together so quickly. They havent had that kind of disaster. Its a small nation. Weve been hearing reports about the fact that everybody there, knows somebody who was affected by this. Do you get a sense that theres rage as well . Because often times following grief comes that anger and the desire to make somebody pay. Did you get a sense of any of that. It would be even more justifiable here than usual because even if you played out the scenario where this is a hostile air space and this plane was collateral damage, the abuse of the situation after the crash, that would be unforgivable even on top of an accident. Okay. So they had every right for rage. I think there was such a maturity among the dutch in terms of dealing with this that had two parts. One, i think a deep sense of humanity. The dutch, everyone kept saying theyre not known for outward displays. I dont know how you jen rise a whole group generalize a he whole group. We do that though. I think there was an immediate rush of consolation of the victim, take care of that emotion. Yeah. As a nation you sort of wrap them up in our collective arms. And the knowledge that theres very little chance that given the complete incompetence of the militants overlooking this scene, or not overlooking it i would submit, youre going to have all the bodies. You need a relationship with these people to get access. I think theres a real maturity on the part of dutch leadership to make thur they give themselves the best chance to get closure for their families. Preeminent diplomacy. You make a good point. This is stark contrast to the scene you first arrived at. I watched you really struggle with trying to understand how the scene could be so disrupted and yet, you felt a very real threat and very real danger on the scene in those first hours that you were there . It is a real threat. I mean, the men and women there covering this right now, putting themselves in harms way and great personal toll to get the story out and very often we debate, should you go, not go, you and i had that discussion when were talking about my plans to go places, but i have to tell you in this situation, i think if the media hadnt been there and cnn was just one of countless media organizations, you would not have had anybody preserving the scene and you wouldnt have anybody protecting against whatever instincts these militia men had. You know, the deceased who are there, ive never seen anything like that. Obviously we talk a lot about this stuff off camera, but if you and i are warring with each other, theres an inherent disrespect for each other and the dead of each other, ive never seen such disrespect in a situation where there was no animosity involved. These people had no part of this conflict. The selfappointed Prime Minister said a federal International Monitoring agency told him to ignore the bodies and do that. Thats just not true. We checked with the organization. This was just a funk of pure disrespect. The one thing i love you also made a point of showing the villagers there did what they could to try to give some dignity to this tragedy and try to pay some respects. They held a very Solemn Service there. They did. And that was a beautiful thing as well. Im glad you were there. And dangerous. Very dangerous. Because it wasnt welcomed by the militia there. It was seen as sign of disrespect of their control. 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