All that and so much more ahead at this hour. Happy monday everyone. Im john berman. Happy new year john nice to see you. Im michaela pereira. We start with the search for airasia flight 8501. Setbacks in the search now. Todays operations had to be called off because of storms. Officials say divers who were able to make it to the bottom of the sea encountered muddy waters leaving zero visibility. A large piece of wreckage initially believed to be part of the plane, well it turned out to be from a sunken ship. Search teams did recover three more bodies today, bringing the total number recovered to 37. Each victim is returned to surabaya in indonesia. That is where the flight originated. Our david molko is there. David, we now know one of the large objects searchers spotted, they were very hopeful, it turned out to be from part of a ship wreck, not the jet at all. But there were other objects they found. What do we know about those . Thats right, john and michaela. A lot of news coming in from the search zone on monday but just not the news that search officials wanted. Really whats running the show here, what is deciding the pace of this search is the weather. Weve been talking about the weather for more than a week now and everyday were talking about it again. The reason even though forecasters say things are Getting Better maybe less thunderstorms or better visibility were in monsoon season season. Weather request change in the blink of an eye. You had divers in the water for a second day in a row. Zero visibility. Searching in pitch black. So no news no confirmation on whether or not they have found the wreckage of the flight. David, another setback is there are no pings being detected from those flight data recorders. Thats such a vital piece of the puzzle here. Bring us up to speed on that and also the fact that the u. S. Has their assets there aiding in the search as well as other nations. Absolutely john and michaela. A very important part of the search and the investigation as well. Tomorrows going to be tuesday, in just a few hours, actually. It will be day ten of the searchandrescue effort. Ten days since the plane went down. The batteries on the black boxes, the cockpit recorder and flight data recorder, the batteries on the pingers only register to last for about a month. So thats about 20 days left. Its not yet a race against the clock to listen for them. We know from searchandrescue officials that they have been sending ships with equipment, underwater microphones, to listen for the sounds. What we havent heard from them though, is that theyve actually deployed those, that the equipment is actually in the water. At this point not sure if that is because of the weather conditions or just because the equipment isnt yet in place. Well see what happens in the next 24 hours. John and michaela . Our thanks to you, david molko. Lets dig a little further now. We have with us retired Lieutenant ColonelKen Christian son, an aviation consultant with air force search and rescue. Also our aviation analyst and pbs science correspondent miles obrien. Good to have both of you here starting out the new year. Were on almost as david told us day 10 in getting about a theory from indonesian meteorologists. Theyre saying they think that icing, some sort of icing of the engines or within the engines could have brought the plane down. What do you make of that . Well again, i hear its a theory and we need to keep in the that box of a theory because until aircraft wreckage gets detected gets taken out of the water and looked at we dont know what took this airplane down. Ice is one thing at altitude. The other thing that is associated with thunderstorms is turbulence. And turbulence can be a large player in why this aircraft went down not ice. If there is icing conditions hail can damage aircraft can shatter windows, can mess up the leading edge of the aircraft and it can also be adjusted in the engines. So that type of icing could damage the airplane. But more associated with turbulence for what i think well be looking for with this accident. Miles, i want to ask you about this icing report that was first in the wall street journal because i know you have some concerns about it. Does it make sense to you that as the wall street journal reports first on friday that the engine could have experienced somehow icing at High Altitude . Is that what would bring down an a320 . Not in and of itself in the way we have seen it happen john. That was a simplistic take on what was a very complicated dynamic situation. When you go into a thunderstorm any pilot worth his salt, the first thing they do is put on continuous ignition. In other words, its like turning the car key on your car consistently in case it stalls. This is too avoid just what were talking about, a flameout of the engines. Yes, icing im certain was probably in the mix here somehow but its somewhat colonel christensen was saying there was probably hail, there might have been icing that covered over the sensor which is measure air speed that might have been on the aerodynamic surfaces. To say simply it shut down the engines and caused this i think is not right because the plane could have glided for about 100 miles, they could have turned toward land and certainly crew would have gotten off some communication to air Traffic Control if it was simply engine flameout. Colonel, also another piece of news coming out that airasia flight 8501 apparently was not permit it had fly the route they flew the day that flight yaift vanished. We understand they were allowed to fly four days of the week. In terms of what this means and how significant is this what are your thoughts . Were just talking about a saturated airspace and a scheduling issue. Sunday is not a reason its not causal for bringing an aircraft down. So i think we can discount that readily, the pilot in command has the authority to deviate the airport around weather to save that aircraft for Flight Safety reasons. Again, the air Traffic Controllers have to deal with that. They dont necessarily have to get permission to deviate for weather so this scheduling issue sounds like posturing. It has nothing to do with what cuba causal. Miles, i want to shift to the black boxes right now, the two of them and, in fact, the lack of any kind of contact, no hearing of the socalled pings from the black box. Nearly ten days into the search theyve recovered 37 bodies so far, pieces of what they think might be wreckage. To me, at least, you would think they have a general enough idea to have the sonar in the water, the detectors, listening devices to hear the pings, yet no pings. Does this call into question the general effectiveness of these black boxes and their communication abilities . To say the least, john. Weve been to this movie way too many times now. How many times do we have to go through this before we as passengers demand that the airlines and regulators get into the 21st century. Its crazy. Absolutely crazy. Were sticking microphones in the water hoping to hear a ping from something 100 or maybe several thousand feet below. There are ways to solve this problem and, yes, its going to cost a little bit of money to have that capability but think of the anguish of these families as they try to find out what happened to their loved ones think of an industry that relies on safety and needs to know what happened to this aircraft not tomorrow but yesterday so its high time we got beyond the black box with these pingers and moved into some capability to put data in the cloud when something is happening on these aircraft that is not good. Well have to see if theres any action taken because i think now is too late as you say, miles. Miles obrien, Lieutenant Colonel ken christensen. Miles, youre not off the hook yet, stick around. Ahead for us cnn has a crew on board a ship searching for airasia flight 8501. We are within the area where some bodies and debris have been found but you can see how challenging it is the fact that as soon as you see something in the distance it disappears behind a wave and then its very difficult to try and spot it again. Look at those waves. We will take you inside the search zone. Also ahead, she survived a plane crash and then walked nearly a mile for help. How a sevenyearold beat the odds not once but twice. Plus, a sea of blue creating waves in new york. Police officers turn their backs on mayor de blasio again after their boss, the Police Commissioner asked them not to. So is this a sign of tension not just in new york city but across the nation . 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The family was flying back from a vacation in key west to their home in illinois when the twin engine plane they were in crashed in the woods of kentucky. The little girl sailor gutzler crawled out of the plane. The plane was upside down. All she was dressed in was shorts from the trip, no shoes. She walked three quarters of a mile barefoot through the woods in near freezing weather to get help. She walked up to a house, knocked on the door. Seven years old. Earlier i spoke with the man, Larry Wilkins, who answered that door. How many times would you open a door and see a sevenyearold girl barefoot in short pants and bleeding tears in her eyes and lips trembling and needed help. Once in a lifetime for my. She was amazingly composed for a sevenyearold girl who had just got out of a plane crash and just lost her parents. Its amazing. I have a couple sevenyearold boys and i know how they talk and even in good times they dont always necessary make a huge amount of sense. Explain to me what she said to you. How did she explain this to you . She just said that she said my mom and dad are dead we just had a plane crash and the plane was upside down. Its kind of unbelievable you know that that a little girl would come out and you have to bear in mind how rough the terrain is through that woods a lot of briar bushes. Her legs were jut cut up from the bottom of her shorts to the tip of her toes and it was about 35 36 degrees and barefooted and had a wasnt raining, just drizzling, you know, so she was a little bit wet but not soaking wet but a little bit wet. I imagine them little feet were pretty dagon cold. And you brought her inside put her feet up got her warm. You got about ten minutes, you say, before the emts, before emergency officials finally were able to get on the scene. Thankfully they were close. What did you talk about during those ten minutes . What went on inside the house . Well i tried to get all the information out of her i could but a little sevenyearold girl lipping trembling, trying to talk couldnt understand much of what she said. I probably asked her name three or four times and i never did get it right but when the state policeman came he would write it down and hold it up to her and say is this the way you spell it . He finally got her name . Talk to me about the area around your house. You said there was a creek bed, briars a difficult walk for anybody let alone a sevenyearold girl. We had an ice storm here in 2008 and this woods is well i was told last night it was about 1,400 acres total but here im probably two blocks from a minor high wayway. To know the good lord was with her, if she walked the other direction, you probably wouldnt find her for a week because shed be walking into more woods. But the ice storm knocked these trees down id say probably 20 , 30 of the trees are mocked down so everywhere she walked she had a detour. Probably as the crow flies maybe a quarter of a mile from where that plane crashed. But you couldnt walk it in a straight line. Id say she walk lead the quarters of a mile because she had a creek bed to go through, briar bushes to go around fallen trees to walk around. Ive said many times i dont like to walk this that woods in the daylight much less dark with no lights. I didnt do anything you wouldnt do or anybody you know probably would dont if a small child comes to your door in that kind of condition. Ive got two little dachshund dogs and they helped her a lot. Her granddad told me she had a dachshund. But these little dogs love everybody, you know and they took to her just immediately. I think that helped calm her down quite a bit. What an amazing man. He said he did what anyone would have done but he did the right thing, he brought her in calmed her down. And those two dogs not insignificant. An Amazing Store tri fact that they were there, the knock was so quiet the dogs were the ones that alerted him otherwise he might not have known she was there. Well talk much more about this. So interesting. How does a sevenyearold go through this . Survive a plane crash, have the presence of mind to walk for help, have the coherence to explain what happened . Well speak with Kelly Wallace and a child psychologist next. Her family on board was unresponsive. She utilized her noninjured arm and hand to free herself from the aircraft. Such an amazing story of survival. A sevenyearold girl pulls herself from a crash in the woods of kentucky walks in the darkness through rough wilderness and cold for help all the while she has blood all over her legs her arm was injured, bones broken her parents, sister and cousin were killed in this plane crash. She had the presence of mind to walk through the woods and knock on a mans door and get help. Joining us now is our digital correspondent Kelly Wallace, psychologist wendy walsh also joins us. Ladies we have to talk about this story because its so remarkable, the presence of mind kelly. We talk about the fact she has just survived a traumatizing experience for an airplane she was in to crash to the earth killing the people she loves more than anyone else in the world. She witnesses that and yet she gets out and makes her way through underbrush that i think im terrified to walk through. Thats why were using the words amazing miraculous. Its not hyperbole. No any parent is thinking you mentioned this john. I have a seven and eight and a halfyearold. Could my girls i hope they could but my god i dont know. I know people on social media have been wondering if did she learn survival skills from her father, from her family. One pastor in the community was saying yes, he did teach her what to do if the plane went down but we were talking resiliency determination, drive and focus that clearly saved her life i dont know that every sevenyearold would have that sense of mind to do what she did on that night. My firsthand research im not so sure either. Wendy is it not training is it maybe just basic human instant that even a sevenyearold has in this situation in fight or flight at all costs . I would err more on that side that its an instinctive survival mechanism. Lets face it, she was in shock. If im scared in the dark i can barely find the right key to put in a lock when im overthinking something so imagine at this point shes in shock and her body is on automatic function and from that point the instincts kick in. Think about warmth stay alive. Also the idea perhaps that maybe her parents arent dead if she can get them help. I keep thinking about what await this is little one because her parents have died one of her siblings has died a cousin has died in this accident. I understand theres another sibling that may be out there. Grandparents are said to be caring for her now how do you begin to help a child deal with this trauma . Not just having lost people but been in the very accident that took their lives . Heres what i want people to understand. So often i will hear lay people say thank god she was young, she wont barely remember. Actually opposite happens. The earlier the trauma in life, the more it is stored in the bones as feelings if you will. Secondly i want people to understand that part of life is the bumps and knocks and awful things and good things that happen to us. The other part is the biological prediggs disposition. Some people come into the world being more resilient, being more optimistist i can having better psychological survival skills, if you will. We dont know what shes armed with yet. We dont know what the long term will be. I would say because of my area of interest and expertise is attachment that this kind of traumatic attachment event will certainly hurt all of her relationships. But it can be healed. Early intervention lots of professional help, thats the important thing. We know she is tough, i will say. That and kelly, i spoke to Larry Wilkins early today, the man who took her in. I was just thinking how lucky she was she found this man and talking to a sevenyearold in any circumstance is easy if you want to find out something coherent but he was able to understand what she was saying she was able to convey it. That has to be a skill he had no question about it. You mention how lucky he was there, that the dogs were barking and this he was kind and kargs and warn and loving at that moment she needed it. She had that sense about her. She knew what happened. She was obviously in tremendous shock and