Deadly rampage. Why. Why did this happen . It hurts. The pain is there. The hurt is there. Theres no words for all these families. What theyre going through. A hoff risk sight. You dont expect to walk into a church and see Something Like that, especially like when all the bodies were still there, you know. Seeing the children, thats what hurts the most. 26 are dead range in age from 5 to 72 years old. One family lost eight loved ones. 20 more people injured. Nearly 50 killed or wounded in a town which has a population of only several hundred, at a time. The killer is dead as well. Just this morning we learned his inlaws were actually members of this church in Sutherland Springs, though not there at the time of the shooting. The news reaching overseas overnight as President Trump was in tokyo. A guns situation. I mean we could go into it, but its a little soon to go into it. Somebody else had a gun shooting in the opposite direction otherwise it would have been as bad as it was, it would have been much worse. This is a Mental Health problem at the highest level. Its a very, very sad event. These are great people and a very, very sad event. All right. Lets stay with the breaking news on the investigation into this horrific shooting. All of those lives lost and who will be impacted now. Brian todd is in Sutherland Springs for us right now. Brian, on the investigation, what is the very latest. Well, kate, we spoke to the sheriff of Wilson County a short time ago, joe tackitt, who told us as you mentioned just a short time ago that the inlaws of the gunman did on occasion attend this church, the First Baptist church, but they were not inside the church at the time of the shooting. Sheriff tackitt said the inlaws arrived after the shooting occurred and told us that the shooters wife he described as being estranged but didnt have much information on that, the shooters wife may also have attended the church. Thats Important Information when trying to piece together a possible motive here. What it has to do with the motive we dont know. Were still digging on that. We also learned from sheriff tackitt the shooter had two weapons, ar556 Assault Rifle and a handgun. The sheriff was not sure if the gunman used the handgun inside the church or not. But the sheriff did say that the gunman did suffer two wounds, one selfinflicted and one he suffered from another man with a gun who confronted him outside the church that was a dramatic part of the story, kate, because there was a witness who kind of teamed up with that man who confronted the shooter, named Johnnie Langendoff who spoke to john berman a short time ago and described what happened outside the church as the shooter emerged from the church. I saw the shooter coming out about where the cars were parked and the other gentleman coming from across the street. Both had weapons drawn and a matter of half a second, there was exchange of gunfire. It lasted just a few seconds and the shooter got in his vehicle and took off and the gentleman with the rifle came across the street, opened my door and said he just shot up the church and we got to chase him. I said lets go. Johnnie langendoff said they chased him for 10 to 12 minutes and they went as fast as maybe 95 miles an hour down this road until the gunman ran his car into a ditch. At that point langendoff said the man with him the gentleman with the rifle who confronted the shooter and possibly shot him approached the shooters vehicle and yelled for him to get out. The man approached the vehicle with his rifle drawn and yelled for the shooter to get out of the vehicle. The shooter did not get out. They waited for the police to show up, kate, and they discovered at some point then that the shooter had died. Not clear whether the gunman died from a selfinflicted gunshot wound or died from a wound that he might have suffered inflicted upon the other man with the rifle who confronted him, maybe a combination of the two. Were told by the sheriff there is a piece of video that exists of the service yesterday but the sheriff said the video does not show much. Kate. Thank you so much. Brian todd on the ground for us. Some of the maybe some of the answers to all of the questions that brian is posing right here we might be getting very soon with an update that we are expecting from Law Enforcement on the ground there and we are hoping to get that and bring all of that to you live when it begins. Thank you so much. We are also learning new details this morning on the shooters military career. He was discharged from the air force in 2014 after being courtmartialed for assaulting his wife and child. Lets go over to the pentagon. Pentagon reporter ryan browne has more on this. Bring us up to date on the military career. Kate, with know he joined the air force in 2010 and he worked as a logistic at Holloman Air Force base. He faced a courtmartial for assaulted his wife and their child. The courtmartialed sentenced him to a year of confinement in prisonen as well as lowering his rank to the lowest level possible and providing him with the bad conduct discharge. That is one of the more severe ways you can be separated from the military. Its not as severe as whats called a dishonorable discharge a level higher, but we do know he received this bad conduct discharge in 2014 after being in prison 12 months due to the assault, the incident of domestic violence. All right. Ryan browne thank you for us at the pentagon. Lets discuss all of the elements we know and the questions that still remain. Joining me right now panel of cnn Law Enforcement analysts steve moore former fbi special agent, art rod rick served as assistant direct of the u. S. Marshal service and jon than is a former member of the secret service. Start on the ground and the connections to the church, jonathan, some of the folks who live in this town say theyve never seen him before, never heard of this guy before. But we do or are starting to learn his inlaws attended maybe his wife attended this church. That tells you what, though . It starts the building the profile of the individual. What we know is that he was dressed in tactical gear, showed up at the church, created this horrific massacre, with weapons, he targeted that church for specific reason. Were till in the infancy of the investigation, Law Enforcement trying to build that profile and look at everybody hes been associated with and his past behavior. We have the reporting from the military. Thats a key indicator that he had violent tendencies. We want to see what else is out there, what other interaction with Law Enforcement, neighbors, friends, coworkers, who was this individual, why did he do this horrific act targeting that specific church. And that and maybe were past this question at this point already, but a place of worship should be the safest place to be. It turns out it is not. In multiple examples in recent past on attacks of churches and temples in the united states. Do you think as jonathan thinks this was a specific target . Is there any question in your mind that this this is some sort of coincidence he targeted this church . Not at all. We were talking about this last night. These type of killers, even the las vegas killer, we may not understand their targeting, but to them, it was the most logical and reasonable target in the whole world. This was planned from the beginning and we were even speculating last night that this person had some connection to either this church or this particular religion and we find out exactly why. You go back and you can see the linear form of his demented logic. He got in trouble because of the wife who he had who he had beaten and she got him in trouble with the military, and now they have to pay for what theyve done to him. But steve, on that point, does the time period that has transpired, does that mean anything . I mean, courtmartialed in 2012, discharged in 2014, its 2017, steve. I mean is that time frame make that put that into question . You know, i dont think so. We dont think like these people do. What happens a lot of times, the other guests will probably agree with me on this, we look at threat assessment character igsices and youre looking for a person whose life is in freefall, but we dont know when you are going to hit the point where they just throw their hands up and say im done. Thats when they make their decision. Art, one big question right now, should this guy have been able to get a gun in the first place . Youre with military police. He received the bad conduct discharge. A lot of folks know well, but just short of a dishonorable discharge. After this courtmartial, should he have been able to get a gun . He should not have been able to purchase any type of firearm. I mean its this is another situation where theres been a loophole found here and somebody has been able to exploit it. And when you get whatever happens to you in the military from a discipline side, does not get transferred over to the civilian side and specifically talking about the National CrimeInformation Center, that does a lot of these background checks and records individuals criminal history. So i mean if you look at the actual legal form the atf4473 you go in to fill out to purchase a firearm legally from the federal Firearms Dealer theres about four or five questions on there im sure he answered no to that he should probably have answered yes to. One dealing with mental instability, one dealing with discharge, from the military under dishonorable conditions which this probably fits into. The fact that he, you know, spent time in jail that was never put on this form. If he answered yes to any one of the four questions on that particular form, he would have been denied purchase of any firearm. Well, and jonathan, there are multiple layers of confusion on this front. The Texas Governor spoke in interviews and said the shooter the way that abbott put it sought to get a license to carry a gun in the state of texas but the state of texas denied him the ability to get a gun. Yeah. Im confused. In all of this will come out. The bigger thing here kate is, you know, gun or no gun, this individual had the propensity to cause this violence, why . Great point. Talk about the gun and type of gun. This is beyond that at this point in time. This is about the individual in we need as a society to come together to look at, you know, leading indicators in clues as a collective whole to prevent this from happening into the future. If this guy bought the gun legally, or obtained it illegally, its separate and apart from the fact the he had the propensity to cause this violent action. He didnt do this in a vacuum. He planned this. So there are clues that are out there that will lead investigators into a profile that we need to look forward, we need to stop looking in the rears and need to be proactive and start looking and creating this culture of Security Awareness and come to the center as a group to prevent this type of action from happening again. And steve, the shooting in and of itself it started outside the church, then moved inside the church and then theres a third crime scene the vehicle miles down the road. In a town this small, i said i grew up in a small town in indiana, this town is just a a few hundred people in the town. Whats the challenge of managing a crime scene of of this size . Multiple jurisdictions coming in. The fact that the town is small makes it easier to actually koordsen off the scene. You will have to deal with different federal agencies, local agencies, and carefully parse out the work here. As far as guns by the way in texas, you dont need a license to purchase one. I think what texas was saying is that he didnt have a license to carry one in a concealed way. To carry. We cant depend on peoples on peoples goodwill to say the truth on these things. Clearly and, obviously, right. Art, final thought. My final thought last night the minute that i had heard and several of our colleagues that are Law Enforcement analysts that the motherinlaw or the inlaws attended this particular church that was an indicators this is more of a domestic situation and he was looking to hurt the family and even though a couple years have passed by, sometimes it takes them that long to reach a point where they just snap. Steve, art, jonathan, thank you so much for being here. Maybe we will get some answers. Any moment now they will be unsatisfactory to everyone watching this play out from the small town to across the nation. Texas officials holding a News Conference to give an update on the investigation. We will bring you that as soon as they walk up to the microphones. 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Going to bring this to you and should begin any minute now. As were waiting for that, joining me on the phone is dr. Stewart the head trauma surgeon and chair of the Surgery Department at University Hospital in san antonio where victims were taken. Level one trauma center. Can you hear me. I can hear you. Thank you so much for getting on the phone. Can you give us an update on the patients you received yesterday . Yes. We received nine patients. We had one patient pass away, a child, and we have two patients who were discharged and then three children, two three children still in the hospital, two are in Critical Condition, one in serious and we have three adults, one critical and two in serious condition. Can you describe their injuries . No, i dont think it would be appropriate to describe their injuries right now but i will say that the patients were, you know, really seriously injured and i feel like the our trauma system, which starts with First Responders in the field, ems and our hospitals and our Trauma Centers did a great job, Terrific Team effort with respect to them. Yeah. The fact that you have three of the i think you said three of the five patients remaining in your car are childre are childr special considerations you need to take from a child suffering a gunshot wound . Children are have special needs, theyre not the same as adults. So they are different physically and have also, obviously, special psychological needs. All those things come into play. And we have a Terrific Team of at our Level One Pediatric Trauma Center and so those are the things that go into the care of children different from adults. Absolutely. Doctor, thank you so much for joining me. I will to have to go to head to Sutherland Springs where were getting an update from officials. Thank you for your time. Almost 24 hours ago almost 24 hours ago, this community was struck by unthinkable tragedy and first and foremost