Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20171211

Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20171211

Jason carroll live at the scene of the bombing. What do we know . Well, we are at 42nd and 8th avenue. The explosion happened below ground from where im standing now, the suspect described this way, 27 years old, his name akayed ullah. Again 127 years old. He was seriously injured in the explosion. Investigators describe it this way, say he was wearing a lowtech device, the way they described it, a pipe bomb, attached to his body with velcro and zip ties, according to investigators a device he made a at work. Happened at 4 nd and 8th avenue. Initially there were reports that the explosion happened in times square. Thats because those people were unfamiliar with new york, the area below where im standing is a huge transportation hub Port Authority. The walkway beneath ground connects where im standing one block east to times squarep apparently the suspect was at 42 and 8 walking in the walkway to 42 and 7th. Heres one of the headlines from what investigators said and that is this investigator is talking. Thats very important for their investigation going forward. Unclear at this point more of what he is saying other than that he made this device apparently at work. Im clear what he does. Three other people were injured during the explosion their injuries minor, able to get to the hospital on their own speed, talking about a loss of hearing an those types of results from this particular explosion. I can also tell you at this point that investigators say this area where we are, 42nd and 8th plan to have this opened by rush hour. Kate . Thats amazing. When you think of how many people go through there and what a huge area that is that they are that was a part of the crime scene. Jason, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Joining me to discuss this, is james, cnn Law Enforcement analyst an retired fbi supervisor special agent, jonathan whacker, former secret Service Agent under president obama. Great to have you here. I have a lot of questions actually. What do you make of this news that jason had, which is that this man apparently, according to sources say he made the device at his workplace. Thats amazing to me. Sure. 27yearold man from brooklyn. Not originally, hes a bangladeshi. Do we know how long hes been here . Dont have any information on that. Not reported yet. We know this, that he was either directed or inspired apparently by isis and thats a big distinction. How do we know. Thats going to take a lot of work by the feds to get and do all the criminal intelligence s checks human intelligence put source out and find that out. In a city like new york, 8. 4 Million People, on an average commuting day could see an additional 1 Million People and we understand 6 million daily ride the subway, this is the classic soft target and thats why he went there. What do you make of this . What do you make of just whats coming out weve heard from them they dont know yet that this was the intended location of where they of a detonation, if you will. Absolutely. So investigators are going to have to look at everything about this individual. Theyre going to have to dig back into his life going back years. Theyre going to have to look at his social media. They have to look at, you know, his computers. Theyre going to have to ascertain how did he get the information, know to strap it to his body, was there a dry run done, there beforehand, where was he going to detonate this device, was it in that tunnel . I highly to your point, highly unlikely. Looks like it was, you know premature detonation. In this case. I mean, again, you look at Port Authority the terminal, a lot of people. In that hallway, you know, there is a lot of commuters, but its not a location that you would think about having that device go off. In a strange way, do you call this a near miss then . It is amazing when you think of how big the Port Authority is, hub it is in and out of the on city, how many people go through as you listed out every day hes seriously injured, three other people suffered nonlifethreatening injuries and took themselves to the hospital. How big of a near miss was this. Back to the original point the bad guys only have to get it right with once. Law enforcement has to get it right every time. Since the 1993 bombing of the world trade center, the 2001, the 9 11 attacks there have been about 26 attempted terrorist attacks in new york city. The vast majority of them are either interdicted or broken up before anything bad happens. You had the event in times square about ten years ago and also recently, i think in 2016, the chelsea bombing, you had the attack on the with west side highway, i mean Law Enforcement has done work in preventing these things from happening. But its beyond Law Enforcement. Lets look at the reporting here. He built this tee vice device a. For some reason that baffles me, that someone should be putting together a pipe bomb at a work place. That lead mess to believe there may be someone out there who saw an anomaly before the event. Weve sat at this desk and talked about preattack behaviors and leading indicators of violence across the board. 27yearold doesnt possess the knowledge to build a pipe bomb. He got it somewhere. There is information to lead us to how did this come about and get this done. Someone saw something and we have to make, you know, create this culture of Security Awareness thats greater than just relying on Law Enforcement. Law enforcement can not do it by themselves. This is a team effort. When it comes to that, of course, everyone want ts know as you both think that it was premature detonation. Then, of course, the question is where was he going. Right. It could be any i guess anywhere. It was a rudimentary device. Pipe bomb simple to build. Open source on the internet. Not telling people they know. The anarchist cookbook back to the 70s. People can put something together like this. Not like it is in the middle east where you have bomb makers that do this for a living so they know with their own signature and skilled at it. This was somebody be that tried to build it after reading it somewhere or hearing about it and that probably indicates why his hands were burned and abdomen was burned. Probably trying to detonate it at the time. We dont know if it was detonated somewhere else. There are two the Police Commissioner said two things that stuck out and i wanted to ask you, the Police Commissioner said he intentionally detonated the device but later in the press conference says we dont know if he detonated it himself. Are those two statements in conflict . No. It could be, you know, he may have had a moment of panic where he didnt want to execute. This goes back to inspired or directed. If its directed a lot of times, you know, there could be a handler that ensures that this person executes the mission. In the event he doesnt there can be a remote trigger. Theyre not in conflict but again, its understanding what was the situation. Thats going to come out once we know, you know, who this individual was, who his contacts were, where was he just prior to, where was he coming from . His network of individuals that are in his network. So understanding everything about this attacker will, you know, paint that picture and be clear. Tell me to me when im thinking about the fact that they are saying they believe he made it at his work place theyve made some amazing progress in a couple hours. Yes. They know a lot about this guy already. The most important critical issue for law enorcement right now is to make certain that this was not part of a conspiracy. Are there follow attacks planned, individuals that aided and abetted this fella, that is the Crisis Resolution piece and thens the follow on the consequence management making sure we find out everything we can about it, clean up the mess and bolster our security in places theyre looking at. We just gotto confirm, cnn h two Law Enforcement sources saying that suspect is a bangladesh she descent and living in brooklyn as you said. Its not a traditional place that we would often be talking about. No. We dont know how long hes been in the united states. Listen, there is a changing face of terror, you know, what we have as a predisposed notion of what is a terrorist look like is out the window. Were seeing it in various forms, various forms of attack, whether its, you know, mass shooting, explosions using vehicles as weapons. Again there isnt a single. The profile, there is no profile. It gets to if you it becomes preattack behavior when things change when people need to speak up. Exactly. If this individual was radicalized theres someone that probably saw that through chat rooms, social media, through again, we need to start getting ahead of these issues and its difficult. Again its easy for us to sit here oh, yeah. But again, there has to be this pathway, this collective, you know, methodology of when theres an anomaly when something doesnt make sense call it out. If we can call it up can we show the video. Its difficult to see in the video, of course, and im sure because i know they said there was more transit video and it will become clear i would like to see the video inside when we see the burst of smoke and detonation went off. There it is. Does anything stick out to either of you when you see this . I see nothing to me but i dont know anything. I think in a confined space like that this indicates the bomb was more low level than you can think. Very rudimentary device. Clearly there wasnt enough over pressure there to have affected too many people and the shrapnel, i know there were two or three people reporting that went to the hospital as a result of injuries, but didnt pick the perfect spot, premature detonation and a rudimentary lowgrade explosive and not a lot of shrapnel from what we see here. Exactly. A lower detonation like this probably black powder contained, you know, within a pipe, the traveled down that tunnel, would have been blast pressure that would have hurt people, hundreds this is, you know, a close miss on this one. People were injured and thats tragic but this could have been worse. Again, any type of explosive if detonated the right way, even low order can kill. It did its intent, caused terror in the heart of new york city. And last thing, was this inspired by isis, directed by isis or some copycat when saw something on the tv show or news or movie and want to do something. Important in the broader sense but still in the most immediate sense, can inflict as much pain, and tragedy. Still ahead for us, final day now before the polls open in alabamas special election. Special senate election. As President Trump goes allin for republican roy moore, his press seder, former president barack obama is now adding his voice into the race. 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Grazi, gino find a price that fits. Tripadvisor. Alabama donald trump is on the phone for you. The president rolls out a robo call hoping to boost roy moore on the final day before this critical election. The conservative fire brand accused of molesting a 14yearold girl, sexually assaulting a 16yearold when he was roughly twice their age an as many republicans have disavowed the president will be telling voters they cant afford to not elect moore. Heres some of the robocall. Hi, this is President Donald Trump and i need alabama to go vote for roy moore. But if alabama elects liberal democrat doug jones, all of our progress will be stopped cold. We need roy to help us with the republican senate. We will win and we will make America Great again. And for doug jones another president has offered up his voice. Barack obama recording a row bow cal to try to mobilize the allimportant africanamerican vote in alabama and could be critical in this election. To the ground, to Kaitlan Collins live in alabama. Kaitlan, what are you hearing . Whats the message that president obama wants to send to alabama voters . Well, kate, weve seen quite an aggressive effort on behalf of democrats in order to counter President Trumps endorsement of roy moore in this race. Because not only did several democratic lawmakers travel to the state this weekend to campaign for his opponent doug jones in this race, including senator cory booker, two democratic officials are telling my colleague jeff zeleny, that president obama has recorded a robo cal on his behalf and in that call the sources say obama tells voters they cannot sit this out and makes the argument that doug jones is a fighter for equality and progress and told this call is intended to reach africanamerican voters sp specifically because thats a key democratic doug jones would need if hes going to stand a chance in this race tomorrow. I cant express how stunning it would be if alabama does elect a democrat like doug jones to the senate because they havent sent a democrat to the senate in almost 20 years. But, of course, its an unusual race where we also have the senior senator from alabama, republican Richard Shelby, who said yesterday on cnn to jake tapper that he did not vote for his partys nominee in this election. I didnt vote for roy moore. I wouldnt vote for roy moore. I think the Republican Party can do better. I think so many accusations, cuts, drip, drip, drip, when it got to the 14yearold story, that was enough for me, i said i cant vote for roy moore. Now, kate, as expected the Jones Campaign has seized on those comments and sending them out in robo calls in voters and digital ads 24 hours before the voters will go to the polls tomorrow. And things all comes as roy moore has all but disappeared from the campaign trail in this last week. Something thats highly unusual for such a highstakes election, as this. But we will see him tonight at a rally here in alabama where hes going to appear alongside the former white house chief strategist steve bannon. Kate . All right. Great to see you, kaitlan. Thanks so much. Joining me right now with more on this, david maury, a political consultant in alabama who worked on republican and democratic campaigns and claire who is ap reporter for the Alabama Media group, covered the race and accusations against roy moore and david chalian. Thank you for being here. David, set the scene here. This has been such an unusual race. What matters on this final day ahead of the vote . It really has been an unusual race. You have to remember, this was a close race before any of those accusations came out. Exactly. In november just because of roy moores controversial history, it didnt make it a normal d ver russ r race from the getgo. Heres what youre looking at, there is the if doug jones wins, kate, the math in fact Senate Changes instantly, goes to a 5149 republican majority, Donald Trumps argument you heard in the robo call that complicates his and Mitch Mcconnells path to getting the entire agenda through by losing one vote. Weve seen how many close votes there have been. The flip side if roy moore wins, in tomorrows special election, might that in the long term even though in the short term the republicans keep their 52 seat majority, cause bigger problems for the republicans come next november if roy moore is a controversial figure that democrats are able to successfully hang around the next of every republican candidate from here through next november. David, when was the last time that any politician looked long term when it came to the state of play. David maury, no small thing when the senior senator from alabama, comes out yesterday, two days before they vote to say he cant vote for moore. Shelby is not a guy who is chasing cable news interviews. He doesnt do a ton of interviews. He knew what he was doing when he spoke up to jake. Whats the impact of that . Senator shelby youre correct is very, very cagey and a great longterm politician in our seat. I think that that has an effect on your moderate voter that probably doesnt like moore. That might give them a little bit more, you know, entre to say okay, im going to write in a republican or vote for doug jones. The trump robo call gets to the Republican Base and that is larger than either of these other two groups. The third group is, who theyre sending the obama robo call too and senator booker and those guys to talk to. Like three counter veiling winds and i think its anybodys guess as to which one blows the strongest tomorrow. What do you think, though, david of the timing, that he comes out two days before . No coincidence there. No, no coens dinse and its a coincidence and its a sunday show that people that were highly involved voters are looking and theyre looking for signals that would give them cover to vote either way and i think thats a pretty big signal to voters like that. The question is, is how big is that group compared to the trump base and the obama base. You have to figure trump has 63 in the state and obama not exactly the most popular among the 60 of voters that selfi. D. As republicans. Thats the unknown right now, who will be turning up to vote. And one question popping up where was roy moore this weekend . The final weekend push in a hotly contested race, and hes nowhere to be seen. What

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